Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Apr/20 13:26, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Well one could take a view as: let's say LSO is baked into ONAP which is > based on ECOMP therefore at is making some use of LSO in one way or the > other (or anyone using ONAP for that matter). > Obviously the reality is much more

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-09 Thread adamv0025
> From: Mark Tinka > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:10 AM > > On 9/Apr/20 11:35, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > > > It's not an on/off switch, but more like a gradual evolution towards LSO (as > it's being standardized at the same time). > > It's never a green field deployment, there's

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Apr/20 11:35, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > It's not an on/off switch, but more like a gradual evolution towards LSO (as > it's being standardized at the same time). > It's never a green field deployment, there's a whole host of existing > automation infrastructure & OSS/BSS

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-09 Thread adamv0025
> From: Mark Tinka > Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:45 AM > > On 9/Apr/20 10:40, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > > > In big carriers and smaller folks supporting big carriers or in other > > words or more generally in folks that want to have a common dictionary > > with each other. > >

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-09 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/Apr/20 10:40, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > In big carriers and smaller folks supporting big carriers or in other words > or more generally in folks that want to have a common dictionary with each > other. Yes, that's the goal. But what I'm asking is anyone we know of publicly

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-09 Thread adamv0025
> Mark Tinka > Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 12:23 PM > > On 26/Mar/20 18:59, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > > > How I view MEF is in their role of facilitator/mediator for > > inter-operator standards. > > Their original work on Metro Ethernet standards and network > > certification

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Mar/20 19:41, Aaron Gould wrote: > Perhaps that, and also, I think they may be substituting that term "mef" for > "ce" more recently. perhaps to imply that its capabilities are now > beyond the "metro" and extend into "carrier" space and beyond. Trying to > make some educated

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Mar/20 18:59, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > How I view MEF is in their role of facilitator/mediator for inter-operator > standards. > Their original work on Metro Ethernet standards and network certification > was very helpful for the industry (certainly some ~8 years back when

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-04-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 26/Mar/20 17:41, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > No idea. But it sure *sounds* like rather significant scope creep. Well, at some point, it became clear that the world was interested in generalized Internet access, regardless of how it was carried :-). Mark.

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-30 Thread adamv0025
> From: Aaron Gould > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:48 PM > > Yeah, while certifying for mef-cecp, you gain an appreciation for > their purpose in that space at least. (they do have other > certifications). Lots of focus on functions and standards that exists > at UNI's, ENNI's, services

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread Aaron Gould
] On Behalf Of adamv0...@netconsultings.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:00 PM To: sth...@nethelp.no; t...@pelican.org Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard? > sth...@nethelp.no > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:42 PM > > >>> I spen

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread Aaron Gould
lections. -Aaron -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of t...@pelican.org Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:25 AM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard? On Thursday, 26 March, 2020 15:15, sth...@neth

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread Alastair Johnson
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:28 AM, "t...@pelican.org" wrote: > > On Thursday, 26 March, 2020 15:15, sth...@nethelp.no said: > >>> I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" >>> stands for ... Looks to me like yet one more commercial entity to drain a >>> little bit of

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread adamv0025
> sth...@nethelp.no > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:42 PM > > >>> I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" > >>> stands for ... Looks to me like yet one more commercial entity to > >>> drain a little bit of cash out of the vendors while perhaps help > >>> with

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread sthaug
>>> I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" >>> stands for ... Looks to me like yet one more commercial entity to drain a >>> little bit of cash out of the vendors while perhaps help with marketing and >>> sales a bit. >> >> Metro Ethernet Forum. They've been around

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread t...@pelican.org
On Thursday, 26 March, 2020 15:15, sth...@nethelp.no said: >> I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" >> stands for ... Looks to me like yet one more commercial entity to drain a >> little bit of cash out of the vendors while perhaps help with marketing and >> sales

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread sthaug
>> The standardization is coming, check out > https://www.mef.net/mef-3-0-sd-wan > > I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" > stands for ... Looks to me like yet one more commercial entity to drain a > little bit of cash out of the vendors while perhaps help with

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread Dave Bell
Metro Ethernet Forum - https://www.mef.net/ On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:03, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > The standardization is coming, check out > https://www.mef.net/mef-3-0-sd-wan > > I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" > stands for ... Looks to me like yet one

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread Robert Raszuk
> The standardization is coming, check out https://www.mef.net/mef-3-0-sd-wan I spent 10 min browsing MEF web site and still do not know what "MEF" stands for ... Looks to me like yet one more commercial entity to drain a little bit of cash out of the vendors while perhaps help with marketing

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-26 Thread adamv0025
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:04 PM > To: Hunter Fuller > > That's what I'm asking about. > > While the thread Mark referenced, deals (in my humble opinion) primarily > with automation side of things, my question is how the whole SDN thing > became vendor-specific-closed-protocol? > > I'm

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-15 Thread Mark Tinka
On 15/Mar/20 20:04, Alex K. wrote: > That's what I'm asking about. > > While the thread Mark referenced, deals (in my humble opinion) primarily > with automation side of things, my question is how the whole SDN thing > became vendor-specific-closed-protocol? So the thread I shared is little to

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-15 Thread Alex K.
That's what I'm asking about. While the thread Mark referenced, deals (in my humble opinion) primarily with automation side of things, my question is how the whole SDN thing became vendor-specific-closed-protocol? I'm not talking specifically about any particular facet of SDN, such as automation

Re: [c-nsp] [External] SDx open standard?

2020-03-15 Thread Hunter Fuller
Well, the "software-defined thing" which started it all, would be "software-defined networking." And this was widely implemented in OpenFlow. One could use OpenFlow to implement SDWAN or SDAccess, and in fact, we did the latter, for a while (just in the lab/internal, not suitable for release).