Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-08 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
Oh by the way does anybody know when the mLDP is going to be supported on ME3600 please? Which mLDP? Full NG-MVPN mLDP or normal MDT-based mLDP? Yes I'm interested in the full blown NG-MVPN with x-PMSI MP2MP/P2MP MLDP with BGP-AD, though right now I'd be thankful for any mLDP support, but

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, July 08, 2013 09:49:50 AM Adam Vitkovsky wrote: Yes I'm interested in the full blown NG-MVPN with x-PMSI MP2MP/P2MP MLDP with BGP-AD, though right now I'd be thankful for any mLDP support, but for that I guess I'd have to wait about a year or so. And I hope the -CX platform is

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 04:54:32 PM Adam Vitkovsky wrote: Oh by the way does anybody know when the mLDP is going to be supported on ME3600 please? Which mLDP? Full NG-MVPN mLDP or normal MDT-based mLDP? Cisco like to go incremental, so chances are support will be basic MDT mLDP first,

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 09:26:51 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: How is multicast supposed to work without PIM? What Gert was talking about was Internet multicast, ie multicast between ISPs. Watching NASA multicast streams for instance (I did this at my university in ~1995). Very few

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:35:33 AM Mattias Gyllenvarg wrote: That is why I addressed Oliver directly. I had a discussion with him at Cisco Live and this came up. The idea is too use MPLS/BGP for transport/signaling. So, no PIM on core/dist links. Only toward Customers and Peers.

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, March 01, 2013 08:23:04 PM Gert Doering wrote: Our experience: it doesn't. We turned it off with our upstreams a few years back, because every time someone wanted to use it for real (every few months) we found that some upstream changes had broken it again, like turning up new

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:26:38 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: How is multicast supposed to work at all whereever for L3 routing without PIM? C-multicast signaling would be handled by BGP, instead of PIM. This is how (S,G) informations gets propagated in an NG-MVPN network. This ties

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-07-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:43:31 AM Christian Meutes wrote: You need mLDP or RSVP for that, Label-Switched-Multicast. Cisco currently goes the mLDP course, while others go NG-Multicast. Cisco's mLDP now supports BGP C-multicast, although p2mp RSVP-TE was not yet in there last time I

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-06 Thread Mattias Gyllenvarg
Sorry for the weak context. I was just refering too removing PIM from within Core/Dist not inter-AS. On 6 March 2013 08:26, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, Mattias Gyllenvarg wrote: About that, Oliver, is multicast-BGP production ready in IOS ans IOS XR.

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-06 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, Mattias Gyllenvarg wrote: I was just refering too removing PIM from within Core/Dist not inter-AS. How is multicast supposed to work at all whereever for L3 routing without PIM? I'll admit I'm a bit rusty and only know about PIM-SM and PIM-SSM, what other methods are

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-06 Thread Mattias Gyllenvarg
That is why I addressed Oliver directly. I had a discussion with him at Cisco Live and this came up. The idea is too use MPLS/BGP for transport/signaling. So, no PIM on core/dist links. Only toward Customers and Peers. I do'nt have the details as we have not yet looked into implementing but, as

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-06 Thread Christian Meutes
On 06.03.2013, at 09:26, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:. How is multicast supposed to work at all whereever for L3 routing without PIM? I'll admit I'm a bit rusty and only know about PIM-SM and PIM-SSM, what other methods are there for controlling routed multicast? You need

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-06 Thread Mattias Gyllenvarg
That's it, seems too have alot of caveats on the ME3600X though. On 6 March 2013 10:43, Christian Meutes christ...@errxtx.net wrote: On 06.03.2013, at 09:26, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:. How is multicast supposed to work at all whereever for L3 routing without PIM? I'll

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-06 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate On 06.03.2013, at 09:26, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote:. How is multicast supposed to work at all whereever for L3 routing without PIM? I'll admit I'm a bit rusty and only know about PIM-SM and PIM-SSM, what other

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-05 Thread Mattias Gyllenvarg
About that, Oliver, is multicast-BGP production ready in IOS ans IOS XR. Specifically ASR9k, 7606 Sup720, ME3600X and 3560/3750? Whould be nice too remove PIM from the core, just as Gert says limited use = limited support. On 1 March 2013 19:23, Gert Doering g...@greenie.muc.de wrote: Hi,

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-05 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 6 Mar 2013, Mattias Gyllenvarg wrote: About that, Oliver, is multicast-BGP production ready in IOS ans IOS XR. Specifically ASR9k, 7606 Sup720, ME3600X and 3560/3750? People have been running multicast on XR (ASR9K) and 7600 since forever. I'd be more worried about ME3600X and

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Christian Meutes
On 01.03.2013, at 07:44, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Proper way (at least it was in XR 3.6 - 3.8 time) is to put multicast sources into BGP address-family multicast. By default, if the source is only in BGP af-unicast then it's not considered valid for multicast RPF check in

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes wrote: On 01.03.2013, at 07:44, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Proper way (at least it was in XR 3.6 - 3.8 time) is to put multicast sources into BGP address-family multicast. By default, if the source is only in BGP af-unicast then it's not

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Christian Meutes
On 01.03.2013, at 10:01, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes Do you have your sources addresses in IGP? Nope, BGP SAFI unicast. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes wrote: On 01.03.2013, at 10:01, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes Do you have your sources addresses in IGP? Nope, BGP SAFI unicast. Well, your experience contradicts mine. I have had to solve issues with

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
I have had to solve issues with multicast not working and started working when the sources were put in SAFI multicast with as late software as XR 4.2.1. Haven't you been using MSDP or inter-as multicast in your setup please? adam ___ cisco-nsp

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Oliver Boehmer (oboehmer)
On 01/03/2013 10:58, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes wrote: On 01.03.2013, at 10:01, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes Do you have your sources addresses in IGP? Nope, BGP SAFI unicast. Well,

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Christian Meutes
On 01.03.2013, at 13:06, Oliver Boehmer (oboehmer) oboeh...@cisco.com wrote: On 01/03/2013 10:58, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian Meutes wrote: On 01.03.2013, at 10:01, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Christian

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Adam Vitkovsky wrote: I have had to solve issues with multicast not working and started working when the sources were put in SAFI multicast with as late software as XR 4.2.1. Haven't you been using MSDP or inter-as multicast in your setup please? I don't know what

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread John Neiberger
Thanks, Oliver! That explains exactly what we were seeing. We doing have a multicast AF enabled in our IGP on the affected routers, so now I understand why we needed the additional replication commands. Thanks again, John On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Oliver Boehmer (oboehmer)

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-03-01 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 02:56:07PM +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I haven't tried to get Internet multicast working for a few years, basically because nobody used it. We had it working via transit and a few peers a few years back, I have no idea if it works now or not. Our experience:

Re: [c-nsp] IOS XR and router rib rump always-replicate

2013-02-28 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, John Neiberger wrote: Entries for prefixes that are in the access list look like you would expect and those PIM joins succeed. So what exactly does rump always-replicate do? Am I right that it's basically only allowing the prefixes in the ACL to be used for multicast RPF?