Re: [c-nsp] Idiot checking LC compatibility across different 7600 chassis.

2018-09-28 Thread Gert Doering
hi,

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 02:31:47PM +, Nick Cutting wrote:
> The 6148's are so bad - I think they share 1g of bandwidth  per 8 ports.  I 
> saw a client dropping TB's a day with these linecards. 

Indeed.  And refurbished 6748GE-TX (with 40GE fabric connection) can be 
had for about 300 EUR these days.

gert
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Re: [c-nsp] Idiot checking LC compatibility across different 7600 chassis.

2018-09-28 Thread Nick Cutting
The 6148's are so bad - I think they share 1g of bandwidth  per 8 ports.  I saw 
a client dropping TB's a day with these linecards. 

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Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Idiot checking LC compatibility across different 7600 
chassis.

This message originates from outside of your organisation.

On 28/09/18 14:57, Jason Lixfeld wrote:
> To that end, I’ve got a bunch of WS-X6148A-GE-45AF cards and a pair of 
> SUP720-3BXLs in a 7606 chassis (PID: CISCO7606) and it works fine despite the 
> WS-X6148A-GE-45AF data sheet making no reference to 7600 support, only 6500 
> support.
> 
> I need to forklift the 7606 for a 7613 (which is already equipped with a FAN2 
> and a pair of PWR-6000-DC PSUs).
> 
> Should all just work, ya?

Most likely, yes. Though the 6148s are 'classic bus' cards, which do not use 
the chassis fabric. They're hideous and slow down the whole router, due to 
taking up bandwidth on the classic bus that is also used for lookup signalling 
between CFCs and the supervisor (no use of classic bus cards, and the use of 
DFCs, is required to overcome those limitations).

If you're intending to add more, please add 6548s as a minimum. Better yet, 
please put all of your 7600 gear into the sea and use more power-efficient 
devices. :)

Regards,

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Tom
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Re: [c-nsp] Idiot checking LC compatibility across different 7600 chassis.

2018-09-28 Thread Tom Hill
On 28/09/18 14:57, Jason Lixfeld wrote:
> To that end, I’ve got a bunch of WS-X6148A-GE-45AF cards and a pair of 
> SUP720-3BXLs in a 7606 chassis (PID: CISCO7606) and it works fine despite the 
> WS-X6148A-GE-45AF data sheet making no reference to 7600 support, only 6500 
> support.
> 
> I need to forklift the 7606 for a 7613 (which is already equipped with a FAN2 
> and a pair of PWR-6000-DC PSUs).
> 
> Should all just work, ya?

Most likely, yes. Though the 6148s are 'classic bus' cards, which do not
use the chassis fabric. They're hideous and slow down the whole router,
due to taking up bandwidth on the classic bus that is also used for
lookup signalling between CFCs and the supervisor (no use of classic bus
cards, and the use of DFCs, is required to overcome those limitations).

If you're intending to add more, please add 6548s as a minimum. Better
yet, please put all of your 7600 gear into the sea and use more
power-efficient devices. :)

Regards,

-- 
Tom
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[c-nsp] Idiot checking LC compatibility across different 7600 chassis.

2018-09-28 Thread Jason Lixfeld
Hey there,

I haven’t dealt with the 7600 platform for a number of years, so I need a quick 
idiot check on what I think I remember.  IIRC, the 7600 chassis (non-S) is the 
same thing as a 6500 chassis (non-E), so anything that works in one should work 
in the other.

To that end, I’ve got a bunch of WS-X6148A-GE-45AF cards and a pair of 
SUP720-3BXLs in a 7606 chassis (PID: CISCO7606) and it works fine despite the 
WS-X6148A-GE-45AF data sheet making no reference to 7600 support, only 6500 
support.

I need to forklift the 7606 for a 7613 (which is already equipped with a FAN2 
and a pair of PWR-6000-DC PSUs).

Should all just work, ya?

Thanks!
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Re: [c-nsp] l2tpv3 Issues on 6800/3800

2018-09-28 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 08:01:22AM +, Harivishnu Abhilash wrote:
> Thanks for the response. But we were quite surprised as the 6800 was 
> doing EoMPLS perfectly. 

It's based on 6500 architecture, which has done MPLS and EoMPLS (and,
depending on Supervisor generation, also VPLS)  "since ever" (sup720 days).  

L2TPv3 is a different protocol, and the old hardware never had support for 
it - and you can't just add it by means of software upgrade.

gert
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 it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor."
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Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de


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Re: [c-nsp] l2tpv3 Issues on 6800/3800

2018-09-28 Thread Harivishnu Abhilash
Thanks for the response. But we were quite surprised as the 6800 was doing 
EoMPLS perfectly. We had to do L2tpV3  as  we shifted the role of the mpls 
device to non-mpls (sort of a migration from a PE role to CE for design 
requirements) and more over we are only extending a peering VLAN to get the 
IBGP between to routers up (like a backup path)

Ta


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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [c-nsp] l2tpv3 Issues on 6800/3800

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, at 03:38, Hari . wrote:
> Hello Team,
> 
> We are trying to extend the L2doamin for IP cloud (non-mpls), the 
> intention was to use l2tpv3, but it doesn't seem to be supported in
> 6800/3850
> Anyone tried or can provide some guidance

Hi,

First things first : DON'T !
More precisely (for the impact) : 
https://www.packetmischief.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/failure-domain-atomic-bomb.jpg
.. and the related post : 
https://www.packetmischief.ca/2013/04/02/why-is-there-a-wrong-way-to-interconnect-datacenters/

That being sorted out, 6800 is a switch and should not be expected to do 
l2tpv3. Same for the 3850, if this is what you mean by "3800". You may try you 
luck with GREP (Ethernet over GRE), but support on 3850 is "variable" at best 
(starting with "not supported" - depending on OS version).

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Re: [c-nsp] l2tpv3 Issues on 6800/3800

2018-09-28 Thread Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, at 03:38, Hari . wrote:
> Hello Team,
> 
> We are trying to extend the L2doamin for IP cloud (non-mpls), the 
> intention was to use l2tpv3, but it doesn't seem to be supported in 
> 6800/3850
> Anyone tried or can provide some guidance

Hi,

First things first : DON'T !
More precisely (for the impact) : 
https://www.packetmischief.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/failure-domain-atomic-bomb.jpg
.. and the related post : 
https://www.packetmischief.ca/2013/04/02/why-is-there-a-wrong-way-to-interconnect-datacenters/

That being sorted out, 6800 is a switch and should not be expected to do 
l2tpv3. Same for the 3850, if this is what you mean by "3800". You may try you 
luck with GREP (Ethernet over GRE), but support on 3850 is "variable" at best 
(starting with "not supported" - depending on OS version).

-- 
R.-A. Feurdean
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