Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
"Det är vad det är" 'It is what it is"? A Em 27/06/2019 16:41, "cisco-nsp em nome de Mark Tinka" escreveu: On 27/Jun/19 21:22, Aaron Gould wrote: > Why are we worried about XR boot times ? > > RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS" > Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT > Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] > g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes > > RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS" > Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT > Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] > c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes Again, I'm not so worried about boot time. Whether it takes a box 10 minutes or 10 hours to boot, as my Swedish friend would say, "Det är vad det är". My main concern is how long it takes to complete a full upgrade, with a couple of accompanying SMU's to boot (pun intended). Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
On 27/Jun/19 21:22, Aaron Gould wrote: > Why are we worried about XR boot times ? > > RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS" > Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT > Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] > g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes > > RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS" > Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT > Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] > c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes Again, I'm not so worried about boot time. Whether it takes a box 10 minutes or 10 hours to boot, as my Swedish friend would say, "Det är vad det är". My main concern is how long it takes to complete a full upgrade, with a couple of accompanying SMU's to boot (pun intended). Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
Why are we worried about XR boot times ? RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:g-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS" Thu Jun 27 14:20:49.013 CDT Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] g-9k uptime is 5 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes RP/0/RSP0/CPU0:c-9k#sh ver | in "uptime|IOS" Thu Jun 27 14:20:55.287 CDT Cisco IOS XR Software, Version 4.1.2[Default] c-9k uptime is 5 years, 21 weeks, 4 days, 44 minutes -Aaron ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
The NCS540 line is definitely edge focused although the initial hardware release probably fits more in an aggregation role for most. There are differences in feature or scale but I wouldn't say it's less feature rich, in many cases it has more capabilities. Thanks, Phil On 6/27/19, 1:21 PM, "cisco-nsp on behalf of Eric Van Tol" wrote: >There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would >be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike >ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). I was told that there are currently no plans to EoL the ASR920. The NCS, while somewhat similar, is not quite as "feature-rich" as the ASR. I've not yet had the pleasure to test one out, but I'm guessing that means the ASR is more edge-focused while NCS is more aggregation-focused. -evt ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
Don't forget the PHD in rocket surgery required for smartnet -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp On Behalf Of Gert Doering Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 12:05 PM To: ??ukasz Bromirski Cc: Gert Doering ; Cisco-nsp (cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net) Subject: Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement This message originated from outside your organization. Hi, On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:02:15PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote: > > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco > > nightmare, just more of it. > > Oh c???mon, what would happen if we???d nail down *both* product and > licensing? Hell would freeze ;) *sigh*. Well said. (And, if you get the list price / discount thingie in order, *and* fix the web site, then you might just squash the competition out there... :-) ) gert -- "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor." Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
>There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would >be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike >ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). I was told that there are currently no plans to EoL the ASR920. The NCS, while somewhat similar, is not quite as "feature-rich" as the ASR. I've not yet had the pleasure to test one out, but I'm guessing that means the ASR is more edge-focused while NCS is more aggregation-focused. -evt ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
Hi, On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:29:41PM +0200, Brian Turnbow wrote: > Let's make a smu to disable smart licensing as a fix. Now that is nice :-) IOS XR FTW. (I still do not understand why more recent XR platforms can't have EIGRP, though... we have nicely and willingly moved ourselves into vendor lock-in because we *like* EIGRP...) gert -- "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor." Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
--- Begin Message --- > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare, just more > of it. > > ESS-AC-10G-RTU-1 Essentials SW Right-to-Use per 10G > ADV-AC-10G-RTU-1 Advanced SW Right-to-Use per 10G > ESS-10G-SIA-3 Essentials SW Innovation Access per 10G 3 year subscription > ESS-10G-SIA-5 Essentials SW Innovation Access per 10G 5 year subscription > ADV-10G-SIA-3 Advanced SW Innovation Access per 10G 3 year subscription > ADV-10G-SIA-5 Advanced SW Innovation Access per 10G 5 year subscription > > and of course you'd need a SmartNet coverage for every single license bit... Yeah and now ncs5 only supports smart licensing, no but wait it doesn't work... aaarrrggh. Let's make a smu to disable smart licensing as a fix. https://quickview.cloudapps.cisco.com/quickview/bug/CSCvk45026 just perfect --- End Message --- ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
A 920 taking 13 minutes too boot is quite a thing to see. Especially a dual reboot for a software upgrade On Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 12:04 PM Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:02:15PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote: > > > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare, > > > just more of it. > > > > Oh c???mon, what would happen if we???d nail down *both* product and > > licensing? Hell would freeze ;) > > *sigh*. Well said. > > (And, if you get the list price / discount thingie in order, *and* fix > the web site, then you might just squash the competition out there... :-) ) > > gert > -- > "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you > feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never > doubted > it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor." > Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh > Mistress > > Gert Doering - Munich, Germany > g...@greenie.muc.de > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
Hi, On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:02:15PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote: > > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare, > > just more of it. > > Oh c???mon, what would happen if we???d nail down *both* product and > licensing? Hell would freeze ;) *sigh*. Well said. (And, if you get the list price / discount thingie in order, *and* fix the web site, then you might just squash the competition out there... :-) ) gert -- "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor." Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
On 27/Jun/19 17:59, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: > :D “Good old days of solid iron with QNX-running XR”. > > NCS 540 boots in ~90 seconds depending on the complexity of the > configuration. I just did reboot one to check if I’m right. And a full software upgrade? Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
Gert, > On 27 Jun 2019, at 18:00, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 05:49:42PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote: >> There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would >> be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike >> ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). > > The boxes look very nice. > > The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare, > just more of it. Oh c’mon, what would happen if we’d nail down *both* product and licensing? Hell would freeze ;) — ./ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
Hi, On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 05:49:42PM +0200, ??ukasz Bromirski wrote: > There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would > be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike > ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). The boxes look very nice. The table on software licensing looks like the usual Cisco nightmare, just more of it. ESS-AC-10G-RTU-1 Essentials SW Right-to-Use per 10G ADV-AC-10G-RTU-1 Advanced SW Right-to-Use per 10G ESS-10G-SIA-3 Essentials SW Innovation Access per 10G 3 year subscription ESS-10G-SIA-5 Essentials SW Innovation Access per 10G 5 year subscription ADV-10G-SIA-3 Advanced SW Innovation Access per 10G 3 year subscription ADV-10G-SIA-5 Advanced SW Innovation Access per 10G 5 year subscription and of course you'd need a SmartNet coverage for every single license bit... gert -- "If was one thing all people took for granted, was conviction that if you feed honest figures into a computer, honest figures come out. Never doubted it myself till I met a computer with a sense of humor." Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Gert Doering - Munich, Germany g...@greenie.muc.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
> On 27 Jun 2019, at 17:53, Mark Tinka wrote: > > On 27/Jun/19 17:49, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: > >> >> >> Putting my Cisco hat for a moment: >> >> There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement >> would >> be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike >> ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). > > I don't know why for a Metro-E application, IOS XR is simply too > heavy... maybe it's just me. > > I've not ran IOS XR in anything other than a CRS or ASR9000, so can't > say whether it's any quicker in an NCS*. But if not, I wouldn't want to > be the one speaking to the NOC about why 700 boxes in the Metro are down > for longer than what we had on an ASR920 (IOS XE) for a simple code > upgrade :-). :D “Good old days of solid iron with QNX-running XR”. NCS 540 boots in ~90 seconds depending on the complexity of the configuration. I just did reboot one to check if I’m right. — ./ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
On 27/Jun/19 17:49, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: > > > Putting my Cisco hat for a moment: > > There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement > would > be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike > ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). I don't know why for a Metro-E application, IOS XR is simply too heavy... maybe it's just me. I've not ran IOS XR in anything other than a CRS or ASR9000, so can't say whether it's any quicker in an NCS*. But if not, I wouldn't want to be the one speaking to the NOC about why 700 boxes in the Metro are down for longer than what we had on an ASR920 (IOS XE) for a simple code upgrade :-). Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
> On 27 Jun 2019, at 10:15, Mark Tinka wrote: > > On 27/Jun/19 01:46, Laurent Dumont wrote: >> Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. > > That is common, and expected. > >> Has anyone seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would >> be phased out? > > Nope. Putting my Cisco hat for a moment: There are currently no such plans, but the natural current replacement would be NCS 540 (IOS-XR box) and NCS 560 (XR box as well, more alike ASR 903/907 if you need modularity). -- Łukasz Bromirski CCIE R/SP #15929, CCDE #2012::17, PGP Key ID: 0xFD077F6A ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] ASR 920 Replacement
On 27/Jun/19 01:46, Laurent Dumont wrote: > Overall, it looks like specific IOS versions are being eol-ed. That is common, and expected. > Has anyone seen any indication that the hardware platform itself would > be phased out? Nope. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
