Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Copying Kenneth. On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Kasper Adel wrote: > Saucy question indeed! > > Good stuff here : https://www.reddit.com/r/netwo > rking/comments/3fulng/vxlan_vs_vpls/ and https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/ > 02/evpn-with-mpls-data-plane-in-data.html > > Also https://plus.google.com/+KennethDuda/posts/2tnVCHkeVyZ > > Good question, > Kim > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:10 AM, wrote: > >> > Pete Lumbis >> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:41 PM >> > >> > Dinesh Dutt, the co-author of VxLAN wrote two books you can get for >> free* >> > They are both focused on the datacenter, but the principals are the same >> for >> > both DC and non-DC use cases. >> > >> > BGP in the datacenter: http://cumulusnetworks.com/bgp EVPN in the >> > datacenter: >> > https://cumulusnetworks.com/lp/evpn-data-center- >> > oreilly/?utm_source=social+media_term=EVPN_campaign=2018 >> > +EVPN+in+the+data+center+eBook >> > >> > * Behind a regwall. Disclaimer: I work for Cumulus >> > >> //rant// >> I'd love to ask Dinesh why VXLAN??? >> -I mean what was wrong with MPLS labels for these DC folks? >> If you think about it VXLAN is like VPN label directly on top of IP (just >> a >> tenant separator). >> But there's no concept of stacking VXLAN headers unlike in MPLS, -that is >> no >> extensibility for other applications (e.g. TE = source routing = service >> chaining, or other example would be micro services = VPNs), >> The EVPN CP for VXLAN is just another patch borrowed from SP folks, they >> still need ACLs for micro services and god knows what they will come up >> with >> for service chaining (PBR I guess) both utterly un-scalable solutions. >> Looks like DC folks have the tendency of reinventing the wheel again and >> again. >> All of these DC "solutions" could have been solved by simple well >> established MPLS: FabricPath, TRILL, LISP, VXLAN, NVGRE, OTV and Shortest >> Path Bridging (SPB). >> Not mentioning all the crazy complexity where all these need to interface >> with MPLS backbone at the DC boundaries (while preventing L2 loops). >> >> Finally with the latest generation of nexus switches they seem to finally >> realize that MPLS is the path. >> //rant// >> >> adam >> >> netconsultings.com >> ::carrier-class solutions for the telecommunications industry:: >> >> ___ >> cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp >> archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ >> > > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Saucy question indeed! Good stuff here : https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/3fulng/ vxlan_vs_vpls/ and https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/ 02/evpn-with-mpls-data-plane-in-data.html Also https://plus.google.com/+KennethDuda/posts/2tnVCHkeVyZ Good question, Kim On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:10 AM, wrote: > > Pete Lumbis > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:41 PM > > > > Dinesh Dutt, the co-author of VxLAN wrote two books you can get for free* > > They are both focused on the datacenter, but the principals are the same > for > > both DC and non-DC use cases. > > > > BGP in the datacenter: http://cumulusnetworks.com/bgp EVPN in the > > datacenter: > > https://cumulusnetworks.com/lp/evpn-data-center- > > oreilly/?utm_source=social+media_term=EVPN_campaign=2018 > > +EVPN+in+the+data+center+eBook > > > > * Behind a regwall. Disclaimer: I work for Cumulus > > > //rant// > I'd love to ask Dinesh why VXLAN??? > -I mean what was wrong with MPLS labels for these DC folks? > If you think about it VXLAN is like VPN label directly on top of IP (just a > tenant separator). > But there's no concept of stacking VXLAN headers unlike in MPLS, -that is > no > extensibility for other applications (e.g. TE = source routing = service > chaining, or other example would be micro services = VPNs), > The EVPN CP for VXLAN is just another patch borrowed from SP folks, they > still need ACLs for micro services and god knows what they will come up > with > for service chaining (PBR I guess) both utterly un-scalable solutions. > Looks like DC folks have the tendency of reinventing the wheel again and > again. > All of these DC "solutions" could have been solved by simple well > established MPLS: FabricPath, TRILL, LISP, VXLAN, NVGRE, OTV and Shortest > Path Bridging (SPB). > Not mentioning all the crazy complexity where all these need to interface > with MPLS backbone at the DC boundaries (while preventing L2 loops). > > Finally with the latest generation of nexus switches they seem to finally > realize that MPLS is the path. > //rant// > > adam > > netconsultings.com > ::carrier-class solutions for the telecommunications industry:: > > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
> Pete Lumbis > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:41 PM > > Dinesh Dutt, the co-author of VxLAN wrote two books you can get for free* > They are both focused on the datacenter, but the principals are the same for > both DC and non-DC use cases. > > BGP in the datacenter: http://cumulusnetworks.com/bgp EVPN in the > datacenter: > https://cumulusnetworks.com/lp/evpn-data-center- > oreilly/?utm_source=social+media_term=EVPN_campaign=2018 > +EVPN+in+the+data+center+eBook > > * Behind a regwall. Disclaimer: I work for Cumulus > //rant// I'd love to ask Dinesh why VXLAN??? -I mean what was wrong with MPLS labels for these DC folks? If you think about it VXLAN is like VPN label directly on top of IP (just a tenant separator). But there's no concept of stacking VXLAN headers unlike in MPLS, -that is no extensibility for other applications (e.g. TE = source routing = service chaining, or other example would be micro services = VPNs), The EVPN CP for VXLAN is just another patch borrowed from SP folks, they still need ACLs for micro services and god knows what they will come up with for service chaining (PBR I guess) both utterly un-scalable solutions. Looks like DC folks have the tendency of reinventing the wheel again and again. All of these DC "solutions" could have been solved by simple well established MPLS: FabricPath, TRILL, LISP, VXLAN, NVGRE, OTV and Shortest Path Bridging (SPB). Not mentioning all the crazy complexity where all these need to interface with MPLS backbone at the DC boundaries (while preventing L2 loops). Finally with the latest generation of nexus switches they seem to finally realize that MPLS is the path. //rant// adam netconsultings.com ::carrier-class solutions for the telecommunications industry:: ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Thanks, why isn't there so many books about the new SP-DC and EVPN, its not new, I guess. Has anyone seen "SP EVPN" deployed any where ? Asia, Europe even ? I wonder if its time for EVPN to go into Enterprise networks and SP, replacing MPLSoUDP or MPLSoGRE and VPLS. I mean its still BGP carrying the Mac Info and its only a new data plane, am I missing any fundamental difference ? ~Sam On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Pete Lumbis wrote: > Dinesh Dutt, the co-author of VxLAN wrote two books you can get for free* > They are both focused on the datacenter, but the principals are the same > for both DC and non-DC use cases. > > BGP in the datacenter: http://cumulusnetworks.com/bgp > EVPN in the datacenter: https://cumulusnetworks.com/lp/evpn- > data-center-oreilly/?utm_source=social+media_term= > EVPN_campaign=2018+EVPN+in+the+data+center+eBook > > * Behind a regwall. Disclaimer: I work for Cumulus > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:13 AM James Bensley wrote: > >> >> >> On 14 July 2018 00:42:46 BST, Sami Joseph wrote: >> >Heya >> > >> >I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for >> >use-cases >> >in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation >> >and >> >deployments? >> > >> >I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. >> >https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html >> >> Have you read the RFCs? >> >> I.e., read this first (if you haven't already) >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7209 and then this >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432 (assuming you want to use MPLS >> instead of VXLAN). >> >> They're always my go-to place to understand a new (to me) technology. >> Then read papers and books by vendors and operators after, to get an idea >> of how to implement the technology. >> >> Cheers, >> James. >> ___ >> cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp >> archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ >> > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Dinesh Dutt, the co-author of VxLAN wrote two books you can get for free* They are both focused on the datacenter, but the principals are the same for both DC and non-DC use cases. BGP in the datacenter: http://cumulusnetworks.com/bgp EVPN in the datacenter: https://cumulusnetworks.com/lp/evpn-data-center-oreilly/?utm_source=social+media_term=EVPN_campaign=2018+EVPN+in+the+data+center+eBook * Behind a regwall. Disclaimer: I work for Cumulus On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:13 AM James Bensley wrote: > > > On 14 July 2018 00:42:46 BST, Sami Joseph wrote: > >Heya > > > >I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for > >use-cases > >in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation > >and > >deployments? > > > >I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. > >https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html > > Have you read the RFCs? > > I.e., read this first (if you haven't already) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7209 and then this > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432 (assuming you want to use MPLS > instead of VXLAN). > > They're always my go-to place to understand a new (to me) technology. Then > read papers and books by vendors and operators after, to get an idea of how > to implement the technology. > > Cheers, > James. > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
On 14 July 2018 00:42:46 BST, Sami Joseph wrote: >Heya > >I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for >use-cases >in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation >and >deployments? > >I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. >https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html Have you read the RFCs? I.e., read this first (if you haven't already) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7209 and then this https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7432 (assuming you want to use MPLS instead of VXLAN). They're always my go-to place to understand a new (to me) technology. Then read papers and books by vendors and operators after, to get an idea of how to implement the technology. Cheers, James. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Maybe something here https://forums.juniper.net/t5/Tech-Cafe-Ask-the-Author-MPLS-in/EVPN-advantag e-over-L2VPN-VPLS/td-p/291810 http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920033905.do https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/mpls-in-the/9781491905449/ch0 8.html -Aaron -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Tails Pipes Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:02 PM To: Kasper Adel Cc: Cisco-nsp Subject: Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation Hi This is about using EVPN for IXPs, a bit closer. https://www.trex.fi/2017/Ralf-Korschner-VXLAN-EVPN-in-a-Nuttshell.pdf Ciao Rich On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Kasper Adel wrote: > good stuff here, maybe not on the L2VPN part. > > https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/8ubqmc/evpn_is_confusing/?st= > JIYNSFZA=ba954c8b > > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Sami Joseph > wrote: > > > Heya > > > > I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for > use-cases > > in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation and > > deployments? > > > > I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. > > https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html > > > > THX > > Sam > > ___ > > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > > > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Hi This is about using EVPN for IXPs, a bit closer. https://www.trex.fi/2017/Ralf-Korschner-VXLAN-EVPN-in-a-Nuttshell.pdf Ciao Rich On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Kasper Adel wrote: > good stuff here, maybe not on the L2VPN part. > > https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/8ubqmc/evpn_is_confusing/?st= > JIYNSFZA=ba954c8b > > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Sami Joseph > wrote: > > > Heya > > > > I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for > use-cases > > in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation and > > deployments? > > > > I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. > > https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html > > > > THX > > Sam > > ___ > > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > > > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
good stuff here, maybe not on the L2VPN part. https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/8ubqmc/evpn_is_confusing/?st=JIYNSFZA=ba954c8b On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Sami Joseph wrote: > Heya > > I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for use-cases > in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation and > deployments? > > I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. > https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html > > THX > Sam > ___ > cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp > archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ > ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
[c-nsp] EVPN Book/paper recommendation
Heya I'm looking for book/paper recommendation on EVPN, specially for use-cases in Carrier Ethernet deployments, replacing IETF L2VPN implementation and deployments? I found this book by Ivan Pepen., but it doesnt cover that. https://blog.ipspace.net/2018/06/book-evpn-in-data-center.html THX Sam ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
