Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-21 Thread Phil Bedard
I've typically seen this happen when there is a covering route causing the 
next-hop tracking to not work correctly.  It happens quite a bit when there is 
a local null0 route covering the NH.   You can use a route-map to specify only 
OSPF routes are used under the specific AFI.  

You can also look at the state of a next-hop using "show bgp nexthops"  

Thanks, 
Phil 

On 10/13/20, 2:58 PM, "cisco-nsp on behalf of Drew Weaver" 
 wrote:

Hello,

For clarity's sake:

Each of the 5 edge/peering routers have the full routing table installed 
and they are totally unaware of one another as far as BGP is concerned 

Downstream from there, the view from any of the four core routers is this:

Neighbor V  MsgRcvd   MsgSent  InQ OutQ  Up/Down State   
PfxRcd PfxAcc
  192.168.222.25 4 45082982171835006d05h Estab   
812608 812608
  192.168.222.26 4 5657384617313000   18d04h Estab   
812623 812623
  192.168.222.27 4 45082982171835006d02h Estab   
812609 812609
  192.168.222.28 4 5657384617313000  118d04h Estab   
812625 812625
  192.168.222.29 4 45082982171835007d02h Estab   
812607 812607

The issue I was running into and asking about was regarding the delay 
between when OSPF closes (next-hop is no longer reachable) and when the 
next-hop that is no longer reachable stops being used as a route to a 
destination.

Not only is the next hop unreachable once OSPF closes, there isn't even a 
route to that next hop anymore. 

So the reason I asked the question was to validate my thinking that if 
there is no longer a route to the next-hop than the router shouldn't be waiting 
for the hold timer to expire prior to selecting a different path.

But I still need to validate a few things.

Thanks,
-Drew


-Original Message-
From: adamv0...@netconsultings.com  
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 10:40 AM
To: Drew Weaver ; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
    Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

> Drew Weaver
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 2:01 PM What I expect to happen is:
> 
>   The route to the peering edge router's loopback 
> interface is withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
>   The core router will close the BGP session when the 
> route to
the dead
> peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5 
> other copies of the same route that it has.
>

Number of things come to mind since you provided no details regarding the 
setup

Case A)
If all 5 peering points are not advertising best-external prefixes -then 
there's only a single path for each of the 700K prefixes in the entire AS via 
one of the 5 peering points.
-in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a best path for 
will be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence speeds, 
but then the remaining 4 peering points needs to realize they now have the 
overall best path for a given prefix and start advertising it to all BGP 
speakers in the AS -tedious process that converges at "BGP-speed".

Case B)
If all 5 peering points are advertising best-external prefixes and all BGP 
speakers in the AS already have all 5 paths available in RIB, but none of the 
BGP speakers has hierarchical FIB so there's a direct correlation between a 
prefix and it's NH, -in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a 
best path for will be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF 
convergence speeds, but now each BGP speaker will need to painstakingly update 
its FIB on a prefix by prefix bases for each of the each of the 700K prefixes. 

Case C)
If all 5 peering points are advertising best-external prefixes and all BGP 
speakers in the AS already have all 5 paths available in RIB, and all BGP 
speakers not even have hierarchical FIBs but also PIC-CORE enabled where a 
backup path for each prefix is programmed in FIB, -in case one peering point 
fails all prefixes it offered a best path for will be withdrawn from all BGP 
speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence speeds and each BGP speaker will then 
just need to change 5 HN pointers to point to remaining 4 peering points in FIB.


Note,
The above assumes full mesh between all BGP speakers or otherwise assumes 
the RR infrastructure emulates full-mesh with regards to prefix distribution to 
all BGP speakers in the AS via one of the several available mechanisms.  


Adam



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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-13 Thread Drew Weaver
Hello,

For clarity's sake:

Each of the 5 edge/peering routers have the full routing table installed and 
they are totally unaware of one another as far as BGP is concerned 

Downstream from there, the view from any of the four core routers is this:

Neighbor V  MsgRcvd   MsgSent  InQ OutQ  Up/Down State   PfxRcd 
PfxAcc
  192.168.222.25 4 45082982171835006d05h Estab   812608 
812608
  192.168.222.26 4 5657384617313000   18d04h Estab   812623 
812623
  192.168.222.27 4 45082982171835006d02h Estab   812609 
812609
  192.168.222.28 4 5657384617313000  118d04h Estab   812625 
812625
  192.168.222.29 4 45082982171835007d02h Estab   812607 
812607

The issue I was running into and asking about was regarding the delay between 
when OSPF closes (next-hop is no longer reachable) and when the next-hop that 
is no longer reachable stops being used as a route to a destination.

Not only is the next hop unreachable once OSPF closes, there isn't even a route 
to that next hop anymore. 

So the reason I asked the question was to validate my thinking that if there is 
no longer a route to the next-hop than the router shouldn't be waiting for the 
hold timer to expire prior to selecting a different path.

But I still need to validate a few things.

Thanks,
-Drew


-Original Message-
From: adamv0...@netconsultings.com  
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 10:40 AM
To: Drew Weaver ; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

> Drew Weaver
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 2:01 PM What I expect to happen is:
> 
>   The route to the peering edge router's loopback 
> interface is withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
>   The core router will close the BGP session when the 
> route to
the dead
> peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5 
> other copies of the same route that it has.
>

Number of things come to mind since you provided no details regarding the setup

Case A)
If all 5 peering points are not advertising best-external prefixes -then 
there's only a single path for each of the 700K prefixes in the entire AS via 
one of the 5 peering points.
-in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a best path for will 
be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence speeds, but 
then the remaining 4 peering points needs to realize they now have the overall 
best path for a given prefix and start advertising it to all BGP speakers in 
the AS -tedious process that converges at "BGP-speed".

Case B)
If all 5 peering points are advertising best-external prefixes and all BGP 
speakers in the AS already have all 5 paths available in RIB, but none of the 
BGP speakers has hierarchical FIB so there's a direct correlation between a 
prefix and it's NH, -in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a 
best path for will be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF 
convergence speeds, but now each BGP speaker will need to painstakingly update 
its FIB on a prefix by prefix bases for each of the each of the 700K prefixes. 

Case C)
If all 5 peering points are advertising best-external prefixes and all BGP 
speakers in the AS already have all 5 paths available in RIB, and all BGP 
speakers not even have hierarchical FIBs but also PIC-CORE enabled where a 
backup path for each prefix is programmed in FIB, -in case one peering point 
fails all prefixes it offered a best path for will be withdrawn from all BGP 
speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence speeds and each BGP speaker will then 
just need to change 5 HN pointers to point to remaining 4 peering points in FIB.


Note,
The above assumes full mesh between all BGP speakers or otherwise assumes the 
RR infrastructure emulates full-mesh with regards to prefix distribution to all 
BGP speakers in the AS via one of the several available mechanisms.  


Adam

 

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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-12 Thread adamv0025
> Drew Weaver
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 2:01 PM
> What I expect to happen is:
> 
>   The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is
> withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
>   The core router will close the BGP session when the route to
the dead
> peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5 other
> copies of the same route that it has.
>

Number of things come to mind since you provided no details regarding the
setup

Case A)
If all 5 peering points are not advertising best-external prefixes -then
there's only a single path for each of the 700K prefixes in the entire AS
via one of the 5 peering points.
-in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a best path for
will be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence
speeds, but then the remaining 4 peering points needs to realize they now
have the overall best path for a given prefix and start advertising it to
all BGP speakers in the AS -tedious process that converges at "BGP-speed".

Case B)
If all 5 peering points are advertising best-external prefixes and all BGP
speakers in the AS already have all 5 paths available in RIB, but none of
the BGP speakers has hierarchical FIB so there's a direct correlation
between a prefix and it's NH, 
-in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a best path for
will be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence
speeds, but now each BGP speaker will need to painstakingly update its FIB
on a prefix by prefix bases for each of the each of the 700K prefixes. 

Case C)
If all 5 peering points are advertising best-external prefixes and all BGP
speakers in the AS already have all 5 paths available in RIB, and all BGP
speakers not even have hierarchical FIBs but also PIC-CORE enabled where a
backup path for each prefix is programmed in FIB,
-in case one peering point fails all prefixes it offered a best path for
will be withdrawn from all BGP speakers in the AS at OSPF convergence speeds
and each BGP speaker will then just need to change 5 HN pointers to point to
remaining 4 peering points in FIB.


Note,
The above assumes full mesh between all BGP speakers or otherwise assumes
the RR infrastructure emulates full-mesh with regards to prefix distribution
to all BGP speakers in the AS via one of the several available mechanisms.  


Adam

 

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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread Drew Weaver
Those are both good questions. I didn't catch it when it occurred but I will 
remove traffic from the PE router and then simulate the failure.

Thanks,
-Drew


-Original Message-
From: cisco-nsp  On Behalf Of 
t...@pelican.org
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net' 
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

On Thursday, 8 October, 2020 17:08, "Drew Weaver"  said:

> Previously, when we had this issue it was determined that it was 
> because there was still a route to the BGP neighbor in the routing 
> table (because the neighbor IP was part of our IP announcements and it 
> would wait until the hold time to expire) but we got around that 
> particular issue by using RFC1918 IPs for the neighbors and BGP Next 
> hop address tracking took care of the rest (made it much faster, like 
> 1-2
> seconds) but it seems like in our current architecture with the new 
> core it’s operating differently.
> 
> It’s almost like the new core routers are continuing to be seen as a 
> path to this neighbor by the old core routers and vice versa even 
> though OSPF went down on both of them at the same exact time.
> 
> It’s a mystery for sure.

Back to basics - what does "show ip route " give you during 
that two-minute window?

Is there a default route somewhere in the network that could be flagging that 
remote loopback as still reachable until the BGP timers expire?

Regards,
Tim.


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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread t...@pelican.org
On Thursday, 8 October, 2020 17:08, "Drew Weaver"  said:

> Previously, when we had this issue it was determined that it was because 
> there was
> still a route to the BGP neighbor in the routing table (because the neighbor 
> IP
> was part of our IP announcements and it would wait until the hold time to 
> expire)
> but we got around that particular issue by using RFC1918 IPs for the 
> neighbors and
> BGP Next hop address tracking took care of the rest (made it much faster, 
> like 1-2
> seconds) but it seems like in our current architecture with the new core
> it’s operating differently.
> 
> It’s almost like the new core routers are continuing to be seen as a path to
> this neighbor by the old core routers and vice versa even though OSPF went 
> down on
> both of them at the same exact time.
> 
> It’s a mystery for sure.

Back to basics - what does "show ip route " give you during 
that two-minute window?

Is there a default route somewhere in the network that could be flagging that 
remote loopback as still reachable until the BGP timers expire?

Regards,
Tim.


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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread Drew Weaver
Previously, when we had this issue it was determined that it was because there 
was still a route to the BGP neighbor in the routing table (because the 
neighbor IP was part of our IP announcements and it would wait until the hold 
time to expire) but we got around that particular issue by using RFC1918 IPs 
for the neighbors and BGP Next hop address tracking took care of the rest (made 
it much faster, like 1-2 seconds) but it seems like in our current architecture 
with the new core it’s operating differently.

It’s almost like the new core routers are continuing to be seen as a path to 
this neighbor by the old core routers and vice versa even though OSPF went down 
on both of them at the same exact time.

It’s a mystery for sure.

From: Aaron 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 11:52 AM
To: Aaron 
Cc: Drew Weaver ; cisco-nsp 
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

You didn't specify the platform or code version it is running. Would help with 
platform specifics


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:47 AM mailto:aar...@gvtc.com>> wrote:
I wonder if bgp neighboring isn't timing out quickly enough for your
satisfaction and holding routes for a few minutes


-Original Message-
From: cisco-nsp 
mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Drew Weaver
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 8:01 AM
To: 'cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>' 
mailto:cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

Hello,

I have two sets of core routers due to a transition period from one set to
the other.

I have noticed that when there is a connectivity disruption between the two
sets of core routers and one upstream peering/edge router:

Oct  7 12:01:14 EDT: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr  on
TenGigabitEthernet2/1 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: BFD node down



Oct  7 12:03:29 EDT: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor  Down BGP
Notification sent

What I expect to happen is:

  The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is
withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
  The core router will close the BGP session when the route to
the dead peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5
other copies of the same route that it has.

Things I have implemented to avoid this:

  The peering edge router and the core routers peer with IP
addresses that are only learnable via OSPF and aren't available in any other
protocol. [It's not part of our IP space]

I guess I just need a sanity check regarding whether my assumption that it
shouldn't be null routing traffic for 2+ minutes if one of our peering edge
routers gets hit by a meteor is correct since we have 5 peering edge
routers.

Thanks in advance friends,
-Drew



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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread Aaron
You didn't specify the platform or code version it is running. Would help
with platform specifics


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 11:47 AM  wrote:

> I wonder if bgp neighboring isn't timing out quickly enough for your
> satisfaction and holding routes for a few minutes
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cisco-nsp  On Behalf Of Drew
> Weaver
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: 'cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net' 
> Subject: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP
>
> Hello,
>
> I have two sets of core routers due to a transition period from one set to
> the other.
>
> I have noticed that when there is a connectivity disruption between the two
> sets of core routers and one upstream peering/edge router:
>
> Oct  7 12:01:14 EDT: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr  on
> TenGigabitEthernet2/1 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: BFD node down
>
> 
>
> Oct  7 12:03:29 EDT: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor  Down BGP
> Notification sent
>
> What I expect to happen is:
>
>   The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is
> withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
>   The core router will close the BGP session when the route to
> the dead peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5
> other copies of the same route that it has.
>
> Things I have implemented to avoid this:
>
>   The peering edge router and the core routers peer with IP
> addresses that are only learnable via OSPF and aren't available in any
> other
> protocol. [It's not part of our IP space]
>
> I guess I just need a sanity check regarding whether my assumption that it
> shouldn't be null routing traffic for 2+ minutes if one of our peering edge
> routers gets hit by a meteor is correct since we have 5 peering edge
> routers.
>
> Thanks in advance friends,
> -Drew
>
>
>
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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread aaron1
I wonder if bgp neighboring isn't timing out quickly enough for your
satisfaction and holding routes for a few minutes


-Original Message-
From: cisco-nsp  On Behalf Of Drew Weaver
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 8:01 AM
To: 'cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net' 
Subject: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

Hello,

I have two sets of core routers due to a transition period from one set to
the other.

I have noticed that when there is a connectivity disruption between the two
sets of core routers and one upstream peering/edge router:

Oct  7 12:01:14 EDT: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr  on
TenGigabitEthernet2/1 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: BFD node down



Oct  7 12:03:29 EDT: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor  Down BGP
Notification sent

What I expect to happen is:

  The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is
withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
  The core router will close the BGP session when the route to
the dead peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5
other copies of the same route that it has.

Things I have implemented to avoid this:

  The peering edge router and the core routers peer with IP
addresses that are only learnable via OSPF and aren't available in any other
protocol. [It's not part of our IP space]

I guess I just need a sanity check regarding whether my assumption that it
shouldn't be null routing traffic for 2+ minutes if one of our peering edge
routers gets hit by a meteor is correct since we have 5 peering edge
routers.

Thanks in advance friends,
-Drew



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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread Eugene Grosbein
08.10.2020 20:00, Drew Weaver wrote:

> I have two sets of core routers due to a transition period from one set to 
> the other.
> 
> I have noticed that when there is a connectivity disruption between the two 
> sets of core routers and one upstream peering/edge router:
> 
> Oct  7 12:01:14 EDT: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr  on 
> TenGigabitEthernet2/1 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: BFD node down
> 
> 
> 
> Oct  7 12:03:29 EDT: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor  Down BGP 
> Notification sent
> 
> What I expect to happen is:
> 
>   The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is 
> withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
>   The core router will close the BGP session when the route to 
> the dead peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5 
> other copies of the same route that it has.
> 
> Things I have implemented to avoid this:
> 
>   The peering edge router and the core routers peer with IP 
> addresses that are only learnable via OSPF and aren't available in any other 
> protocol. [It's not part of our IP space]
> 
> I guess I just need a sanity check regarding whether my assumption that it 
> shouldn't be null routing traffic for 2+ minutes if one of our peering edge 
> routers gets hit by a meteor is correct since we have 5 peering edge routers.

This may depend on BGP synchronization that could be disabled by default. Did 
you enable it?


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Re: [c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread Eugene Grosbein
08.10.2020 20:00, Drew Weaver пишет:
> Hello,
> 
> I have two sets of core routers due to a transition period from one set to 
> the other.
> 
> I have noticed that when there is a connectivity disruption between the two 
> sets of core routers and one upstream peering/edge router:
> 
> Oct  7 12:01:14 EDT: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr  on 
> TenGigabitEthernet2/1 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: BFD node down
> 
> 
> 
> Oct  7 12:03:29 EDT: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor  Down BGP 
> Notification sent
> 
> What I expect to happen is:
> 
>   The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is 
> withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
>   The core router will close the BGP session when the route to 
> the dead peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5 
> other copies of the same route that it has.
> 
> Things I have implemented to avoid this:
> 
>   The peering edge router and the core routers peer with IP 
> addresses that are only learnable via OSPF and aren't available in any other 
> protocol. [It's not part of our IP space]
> 
> I guess I just need a sanity check regarding whether my assumption that it 
> shouldn't be null routing traffic for 2+ minutes if one of our peering edge 
> routers gets hit by a meteor is correct since we have 5 peering edge routers.

This may depend on BGP synchronization that could be disabled by default. Did 
you enable it?


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[c-nsp] Sanity check OSPF/BGP

2020-10-08 Thread Drew Weaver
Hello,

I have two sets of core routers due to a transition period from one set to the 
other.

I have noticed that when there is a connectivity disruption between the two 
sets of core routers and one upstream peering/edge router:

Oct  7 12:01:14 EDT: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr  on 
TenGigabitEthernet2/1 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: BFD node down



Oct  7 12:03:29 EDT: %BGP-5-ADJCHANGE: neighbor  Down BGP Notification 
sent

What I expect to happen is:

  The route to the peering edge router's loopback interface is 
withdrawn when OSPF/OSPFv3 closes.
  The core router will close the BGP session when the route to the 
dead peering edge router is withdrawn and will begin using one of the 5 other 
copies of the same route that it has.

Things I have implemented to avoid this:

  The peering edge router and the core routers peer with IP 
addresses that are only learnable via OSPF and aren't available in any other 
protocol. [It's not part of our IP space]

I guess I just need a sanity check regarding whether my assumption that it 
shouldn't be null routing traffic for 2+ minutes if one of our peering edge 
routers gets hit by a meteor is correct since we have 5 peering edge routers.

Thanks in advance friends,
-Drew



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