Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Matthew Loraditch 
I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.


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Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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[cisco-voip] looking for some help from Canadian EDU folk

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi 

Can anyone on the list who's from a Canadian EDU contact me?

I'm looking for some help troubleshooting CANARIE peering with Webex.

Right now, we're seeing all outbound traffic traverse our commercial links and 
inconsistent inbound traffic (sometimes CANARIE, sometimes commercial).

I'd be looking to get some output from your edge/gateway routers, namely "show 
ip route " and "show bgp ", along with a full trace route from 
your PC to webex.

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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff 
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway  
wrote:


What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Palmer, Brian 
A lot of engineers act on the scars they have gotten in the past with products.



Brian Palmer| VoiceOps | DC6 3 355
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle


Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases.

It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their 
head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows.

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.



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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
http://defang.bcbsfl.com/defang.php?url=https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi 

Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases.

It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their 
head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows.

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To: Anthony Holloway ; Ryan Huff 

Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.


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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway 
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:

> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
> 15 after that).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
>> more SU's and less major releases.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than
>>> that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to
>>> every 2 months?
>>>
>>> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>>>
>>> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff 
Anthony,

Slide 20 of the deck from this session 
(https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library.html?search=cucm%20version=ciscoliveus2019#/session/1540336593046001DbNj)
 makes a loose reference to it in the timeline graphic.

There is a deck out there that gives a deeper explanation (and I'll send it to 
you if I have some time to look for it); but it was essentially because the BU 
felt features/enhancements were delayed to the field because everyone had a 
fear of " .0 " (not a wholly unfounded fear, IMO) and also some marketing jazz 
about being more inline with software revisionist trends .. etc.

-Ryan


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Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle




Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases.



It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their 
head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows.



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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle



I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.





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Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.



But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.



If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?



On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).

Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:



What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:

Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Charles Goldsmith 
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know
that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
> 76.
>
> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>
> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:
>
>> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
>> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
>> 15 after that).
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
>> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
>>> more SU's and less major releases.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Group,
 in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than
 that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to
 every 2 months?

 Reference : Page 20 of the link

 https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
 


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway 
What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:

> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
> more SU's and less major releases.
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>
>> Hi Group,
>> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that,
>> approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2
>> months?
>>
>> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>>
>> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
>>
>>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway 
Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:

> I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco
> doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We
> all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.
>
> So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on
>> version 76.
>>
>> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
>> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>>
>> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:
>>
>>> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
>>> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
>>> 15 after that).
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
>>> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
 more SU's and less major releases.

 On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:

> Hi Group,
> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than
> that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to
> every 2 months?
>
> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>
> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
> 
>
>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi 

Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.

That’s a sign of good things to come.

I’m convinced.

---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: Ryan Huff 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Anthony Holloway ; Charles Goldsmith 
; cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
 | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook



From: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

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 | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook



From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Anthony Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi 
I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” 
equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to 
service your phones.

That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you 
to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths, QoS and peering set up.

I’m guessing may providers will soon have a backup 5G/6G cellular data option 
available so if that squirrel finally gets through chewing the fibre, you can 
prioritize voice traffic over the wireless backup link.



---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: Charles Goldsmith 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:46 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Ryan Huff ; Anthony Holloway 
; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all.  As we saw 
from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages.  Unless you are big enough 
to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.

I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where 
it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.

My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the 
occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.

Would I advise my bigger customers to switch?  Not yet.  Hybrid calling is good 
for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have a well 
built network, etc.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.

That’s a sign of good things to come.

I’m convinced.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>>; 
Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
 | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook



From: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi 
You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: Anthony Holloway 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Anthony Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Charles Goldsmith 
Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all.  As we
saw from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages.  Unless you are big
enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.

I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back
where it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.

My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from
the occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just
Webex.

Would I advise my bigger customers to switch?  Not yet.  Hybrid calling is
good for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you
have a well built network, etc.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

>
>
> Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.
>
>
>
> That’s a sign of good things to come.
>
>
>
> I’m convinced.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> [image: University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Huff 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi 
> *Cc:* Anthony Holloway ; Charles
> Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not
> always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea
> are the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then.
> And your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams
> has that green restart symbol every two weeks.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> 
> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Anthony Holloway 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi 
> *Cc:* Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> So if I do the math...
>
>
>
> No more minor versions
>
> ...punches some keys...
>
>
>
> And 2 month SU cycles
>
> ...punches more keys
>
>
>
> With an upper limit of 3 SUs
>
> ...punches even more keys...
>
>
>
> That's a new major version every 6 months!
>
>
>
> That means we'll see
>
> ..key punching intensifies...
>
>
>
> CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
> Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s
> either, three at most?
>
>
>
> **sigh**
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> 
> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip  *On Behalf Of *Anthony
> Holloway
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
> *To:* Charles Goldsmith 
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco
> doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We
> all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.
>
>
>
> So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
> 76.
>
>
>
> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>
>
>
> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi 
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway 
So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

> Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s
> either, three at most?
>
>
>
> **sigh**
>
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> *From:* cisco-voip  *On Behalf Of *Anthony
> Holloway
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
> *To:* Charles Goldsmith 
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco
> doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We
> all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.
>
>
>
> So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
> 76.
>
>
>
> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>
>
>
> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:
>
> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
> 15 after that).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
> more SU's and less major releases.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that,
> approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2
> months?
>
>
>
> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>
>
> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
> 
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff 
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:


You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

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From: Anthony Holloway 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca

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 | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook



From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Anthony Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Ki Wi
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