Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Matthew Loraditch
I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be making releases that nobody uses. Matthew Loraditch Sr.

[cisco-voip] looking for some help from Canadian EDU folk

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
Can anyone on the list who's from a Canadian EDU contact me? I'm looking for some help troubleshooting CANARIE peering with Webex. Right now, we're seeing all outbound traffic traverse our commercial links and inconsistent inbound traffic (sometimes CANARIE, sometimes commercial). I'd be

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after that). Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway wrote:  What's going on with .5 releases? I don't think I

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Palmer, Brian
A lot of engineers act on the scars they have gotten in the past with products. Brian Palmer| VoiceOps | DC6 3 355 904-905-8263 | Internal Ext: 58263 From: cisco-voip On Behalf Of Lelio Fulgenzi Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 10:32 AM To: Matthew Loraditch ; Anthony Holloway ; Ryan

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases. It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows. --- Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications Services | University

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
Why not just all Major versions all the time? Google Chrome is on version 76. But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement? I didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier. If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers? On Thu, Aug 15, 2019

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff
Anthony, Slide 20 of the deck from this session (https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library.html?search=cucm%20version=ciscoliveus2019#/session/1540336593046001DbNj) makes a loose reference to it in the timeline graphic. There is a deck out there that gives a deeper explanation (and

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Charles Goldsmith
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers. We all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging. So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :) On Thu, Aug 15, 2019

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
What's going on with .5 releases? I don't think I heard about that. On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting > more SU's and less major releases. > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi wrote: > >>

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases. On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith wrote: > I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco > doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers. We > all know that the .0 releases have historically

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos. That’s a sign of good things to come. I’m convinced. --- Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to service your phones. That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths,

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that green restart symbol every two weeks. --- Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all. As we saw from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages. Unless you are big enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues. I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where it continues

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s either, three at most? *sigh* --- Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
So if I do the math... No more minor versions ...punches some keys... And 2 month SU cycles ...punches more keys With an upper limit of 3 SUs ...punches even more keys... That's a new major version every 6 months! That means we'll see ..key punching intensifies... CUCM 69 by mid-2046.

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:  You forgot how everyone