Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-21 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi

I guess I’m speaking about something like an v11.0 to v12.5 upgrade.

V11.0 only supports: 5.0 U1, 5.1, 5.5, and 6.0
V12.5 only supports: 6.5, 6.7

V11.0 is not that old, and, yes, while they should be on 11.5, they’re not.

An upgrade to 12.5 will be a challenge. Hopefully “bridge” upgrades are 
supported.

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From: Chester Rieman 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 12:18 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net) ; 
Charles Goldsmith 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Hi Lelio,
 Checked that here:
Compatibility:
https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/uc_system/virtualization/virtualization-cisco-unified-communications-manager.html

[cid:image002.png@01D5582B.D75EF420]

I Believe a large part of it was to implement workaround for specter/meltdown

Banner message when upgrading:

Warning: The following phone models are deprecated and no longer supported:

12 S, 12 SP, 12 SP+
30 SP+, 30 VIP
7902, 7905, 7910 (including 7910 SW)
7912, 7920, 7921
7935, 7970, 7971

After you upgrade and switch over, these unsupported phone models can no longer 
register with Cisco Unified Communications Manager. Please power down and 
remove these phones so they do not continue registration attempts. Keeping 
these phones on your network creates unnecessary network traffic and load on 
the UCM service.

This is a Refresh Upgrade. Refresh Upgrades require an extended service outage 
and multiple reboots. Please refer to the Software Upgrades section of the 
Cisco Unified Communication Operating System Administration Guide for more 
information.

If there exists any weak ciphers (like 1DES,null_encryption, blowfish448, 
rijndael, md5 ) in IPSEC policies then they will be converted, 1DES as 
encryption cipher will be converted to AES128 ,
MD5 as hash will be converted to SHA256 and null_encryption,blowfish448, 
rijndael  as ESP to AES128.

In order to use Certificate-based authentication with IPsec both sides of the 
connection must use certificates signed by the same root CA in the trust chain. 
Self-signed IPsec certificates are
no longer supported and IPSec connections using self-signed certificates will 
fail.

https://www.cisco.com/web/software/286319236/146815/cucm-readme-1251su1-Rev2.pdf

Enjoy…..



On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Let’s just hope there’s not a compatibility mismatch with respect to the CUCM 
version you’re running and the target ESXi version.

A lot of us (have to) wait for a few versions to pass before committing to CUCM 
upgrades. Sounds like step/bridge upgrades are in our future once again. 

Let’s hope the move to CentOS wasn’t _just_ an accounting decision. Maybe with 
direct access to modify the kernel and underlying libraries, we can see a bit 
more of a long term solution without having to update too frequently.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook



From: Chester Rieman mailto:crie...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:45 AM
To: cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>) 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Cc: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Just to Chime in here….

From what I have seen upgrading in the lab upgrading to 12.5.1.11900-x 
(12.5(1)SU1) from almost anything (even from 12.5.1.1-22) should be 
considered a major upgrade,
Similar to 8.6 where CUCM went to SELINUX with a new OS install.(especially 
true when coming from 11.x since that OS is still redhat)

https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf

VMware shows CentOS7 is supported on ESXi 6.0.0 but Cisco says you need 6.5/6.7 
(which is true)

11.x is RHEL6, 12.0 is CentOS6, 12.5 is CentOS7 and may involve an ESXi upgrade 
prior to upgrading.

Bottom line, upgrade ESXi to 6.5/6.7 prior to attempting UCOS upgrade to 
12.5(1)SU1 and you cannot do a fresh install of 12.5SU1 but you can upgrade 
from  base 12.5.1:



-Chester




On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-21 Thread Chester Rieman
Hi Lelio,
 Checked that here:
Compatibility:
https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/uc_system/virtualization/virtualization-cisco-unified-communications-manager.html
 
<https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/uc_system/virtualization/virtualization-cisco-unified-communications-manager.html>



I Believe a large part of it was to implement workaround for specter/meltdown

Banner message when upgrading:

Warning: The following phone models are deprecated and no longer supported:
 
12 S, 12 SP, 12 SP+
30 SP+, 30 VIP
7902, 7905, 7910 (including 7910 SW)
7912, 7920, 7921
7935, 7970, 7971
 
After you upgrade and switch over, these unsupported phone models can no longer 
register with Cisco Unified Communications Manager. Please power down and 
remove these phones so they do not continue registration attempts. Keeping 
these phones on your network creates unnecessary network traffic and load on 
the UCM service.
 
This is a Refresh Upgrade. Refresh Upgrades require an extended service outage 
and multiple reboots. Please refer to the Software Upgrades section of the 
Cisco Unified Communication Operating System Administration Guide for more 
information.
 
If there exists any weak ciphers (like 1DES,null_encryption, blowfish448, 
rijndael, md5 ) in IPSEC policies then they will be converted, 1DES as 
encryption cipher will be converted to AES128 ,
MD5 as hash will be converted to SHA256 and null_encryption,blowfish448, 
rijndael  as ESP to AES128.
 
In order to use Certificate-based authentication with IPsec both sides of the 
connection must use certificates signed by the same root CA in the trust chain. 
Self-signed IPsec certificates are
no longer supported and IPSec connections using self-signed certificates will 
fail.

https://www.cisco.com/web/software/286319236/146815/cucm-readme-1251su1-Rev2.pdf
 
<https://www.cisco.com/web/software/286319236/146815/cucm-readme-1251su1-Rev2.pdf>

Enjoy…..


> On Aug 21, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
> 
> Let’s just hope there’s not a compatibility mismatch with respect to the CUCM 
> version you’re running and the target ESXi version.
>  
> A lot of us (have to) wait for a few versions to pass before committing to 
> CUCM upgrades. Sounds like step/bridge upgrades are in our future once again. 
> 
>  
> Let’s hope the move to CentOS wasn’t _just_ an accounting decision. Maybe 
> with direct access to modify the kernel and underlying libraries, we can see 
> a bit more of a long term solution without having to update too frequently.
>  
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
> 2W1
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca <mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>
>  
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs <http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
> Twitter and Facebook
>  
> 
>  
> From: Chester Rieman mailto:crie...@gmail.com>> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:45 AM
> To: cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net 
> <mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>)  <mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
> Cc: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; Lelio Fulgenzi 
> mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>  
> Just to Chime in here….
>  
> From what I have seen upgrading in the lab upgrading to 12.5.1.11900-x 
> (12.5(1)SU1) from almost anything (even from 12.5.1.1-22) should be 
> considered a major upgrade,
> Similar to 8.6 where CUCM went to SELINUX with a new OS install.(especially 
> true when coming from 11.x since that OS is still redhat)
>  
> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf 
> <https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf>
>  
> VMware shows CentOS7 is supported on ESXi 6.0.0 but Cisco says you need 
> 6.5/6.7 (which is true)
>  
> 11.x is RHEL6, 12.0 is CentOS6, 12.5 is CentOS7 and may involve an ESXi 
> upgrade prior to upgrading.
>  
> Bottom line, upgrade ESXi to 6.5/6.7 prior to attempting UCOS upgrade to 
> 12.5(1)SU1 and you cannot do a fresh install of 12.5SU1 but you can upgrade 
> from  base 12.5.1:
>  
> 
>  
> -Chester
>  
> 
> 
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  <mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>  
> I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” 
> equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to 
> service your phones.
>  
> That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you 
> to have a “Cloud Re

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-21 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
Let’s just hope there’s not a compatibility mismatch with respect to the CUCM 
version you’re running and the target ESXi version.

A lot of us (have to) wait for a few versions to pass before committing to CUCM 
upgrades. Sounds like step/bridge upgrades are in our future once again. 

Let’s hope the move to CentOS wasn’t _just_ an accounting decision. Maybe with 
direct access to modify the kernel and underlying libraries, we can see a bit 
more of a long term solution without having to update too frequently.

---
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

[University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]

From: Chester Rieman 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:45 AM
To: cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net) 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; Lelio Fulgenzi 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Just to Chime in here….

From what I have seen upgrading in the lab upgrading to 12.5.1.11900-x 
(12.5(1)SU1) from almost anything (even from 12.5.1.1-22) should be 
considered a major upgrade,
Similar to 8.6 where CUCM went to SELINUX with a new OS install.(especially 
true when coming from 11.x since that OS is still redhat)

https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf

VMware shows CentOS7 is supported on ESXi 6.0.0 but Cisco says you need 6.5/6.7 
(which is true)

11.x is RHEL6, 12.0 is CentOS6, 12.5 is CentOS7 and may involve an ESXi upgrade 
prior to upgrading.

Bottom line, upgrade ESXi to 6.5/6.7 prior to attempting UCOS upgrade to 
12.5(1)SU1 and you cannot do a fresh install of 12.5SU1 but you can upgrade 
from  base 12.5.1:

[cid:image002.png@01D55817.030CCBC0]

-Chester



On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” 
equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to 
service your phones.

That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you 
to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths, QoS and peering set up.

I’m guessing may providers will soon have a backup 5G/6G cellular data option 
available so if that squirrel finally gets through chewing the fibre, you can 
prioritize voice traffic over the wireless backup link.



---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

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Twitter and Facebook



From: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:46 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>>; Anthony 
Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>>; 
cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all.  As we saw 
from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages.  Unless you are big enough 
to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.

I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where 
it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.

My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the 
occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.

Would I advise my bigger customers to switch?  Not yet.  Hybrid calling is good 
for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have a well 
built network, etc.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.

That’s a sign of good things to come.

I’m convinced.

---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

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Twitter and Facebook



From: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>>; 
Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Let’s not get ah

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-21 Thread Chester Rieman
Just to Chime in here….

From what I have seen upgrading in the lab upgrading to 12.5.1.11900-x 
(12.5(1)SU1) from almost anything (even from 12.5.1.1-22) should be 
considered a major upgrade,
Similar to 8.6 where CUCM went to SELINUX with a new OS install.(especially 
true when coming from 11.x since that OS is still redhat)

https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf 
<https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2018/pdf/BRKUCC-2011.pdf>

VMware shows CentOS7 is supported on ESXi 6.0.0 but Cisco says you need 6.5/6.7 
(which is true)

11.x is RHEL6, 12.0 is CentOS6, 12.5 is CentOS7 and may involve an ESXi upgrade 
prior to upgrading.

Bottom line, upgrade ESXi to 6.5/6.7 prior to attempting UCOS upgrade to 
12.5(1)SU1 and you cannot do a fresh install of 12.5SU1 but you can upgrade 
from  base 12.5.1:



-Chester


> On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
> 
> I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” 
> equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to 
> service your phones.
>  
> That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you 
> to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths, QoS and peering set up.
>  
> I’m guessing may providers will soon have a backup 5G/6G cellular data option 
> available so if that squirrel finally gets through chewing the fibre, you can 
> prioritize voice traffic over the wireless backup link.
>  
>  
>  
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
> 2W1
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca <mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>
>  
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs <http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
> Twitter and Facebook
>  
> 
>  
> From: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>> 
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:46 PM
> To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
> Cc: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>>; Anthony 
> Holloway  <mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
> mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>  
> Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all.  As we saw 
> from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages.  Unless you are big 
> enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.
>  
> I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where 
> it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.
>  
> My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the 
> occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.
>  
> Would I advise my bigger customers to switch?  Not yet.  Hybrid calling is 
> good for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have 
> a well built network, etc.
>  
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  <mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.
>  
> That’s a sign of good things to come.
>  
> I’m convinced.
>  
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
> 2W1
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca <mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>
>  
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs <http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
> Twitter and Facebook
>  
> 
>  
> From: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
> To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
> Cc: Anthony Holloway  <mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>>; Charles Goldsmith  <mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list  <mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>  
> Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
> always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
> the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi  <mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
> 
> 
> You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
> your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
> green restart symbol every two weeks.
>  
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
> Room 037 Animal Scien

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-19 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
You've hit a few more nails right on the head.

I'll add this, just 'cause it's so much more fun.

On more than one occasion, people have come back from EDU conferences, where 
they meet someone who says their system has feature XYZ and their team said it 
was easy. So we're asked to implement and given strange looks when we say it's 
not as easy as it sounds and needs quite a bit of back end work.

We're very forthcoming in the effort involved in doing something, I'm guessing 
other places simply re-priortize and get things done and don't mention the 
impact. 



-Original Message-
From: Pawlowski, Adam  
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:25 AM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: CUCM SU release cycle 

I agree on several points you've made. As we continue to "run lean" (meaning, 
in some cases, on fumes) and our management and leadership are bombarded with 
firms offering to deliver everything we do as a managed service that just 
fountains in over the "cloud", the reality of it is that we're compared against 
these claims.

We've built here a responsible and flexible service, with which we can offer to 
any of our customers a robust set of features. That being said we see on 
average a 4% take on features such as SNR, Jabber, etc. We are not aggressive 
in our marketing, and at times I'd term it elusive even, so we could do better. 
But that means that 95% of people will probably deal with the basics.

That is somewhat what I am trying to prepare us for, not building rube Goldberg 
line forwarding and shared line arrangements, and insisting on each customer 
having their own extension. I feel like if we switch platforms, or delivery 
methods, this will make things easier. Even this has been painful to implement, 
and not always practical. 

Regarding upgrades, we've limited ourselves to major upgrade windows 
biannually, and quarterly for SUs, non-critical COPs, etc. Despite everything 
being rubber stamped "24x7" , in reality very few things are. We push our 
maintenance to run overnight, or Friday evening into Saturday, and we go from 
there. IIRC you were cloning or rebuilding VMs within VMWare and juggling their 
connections to try and minimize downtime, but, we've found that as long as 
security and physical plant can operate in some regard, no one else really 
cares.

Best,

Adam
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-19 Thread Anthony Holloway
That's some good insight.  Thanks for sharing.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:25 AM Pawlowski, Adam  wrote:

> I agree on several points you've made. As we continue to "run lean"
> (meaning, in some cases, on fumes) and our management and leadership are
> bombarded with firms offering to deliver everything we do as a managed
> service that just fountains in over the "cloud", the reality of it is that
> we're compared against these claims.
>
> We've built here a responsible and flexible service, with which we can
> offer to any of our customers a robust set of features. That being said we
> see on average a 4% take on features such as SNR, Jabber, etc. We are not
> aggressive in our marketing, and at times I'd term it elusive even, so we
> could do better. But that means that 95% of people will probably deal with
> the basics.
>
> That is somewhat what I am trying to prepare us for, not building rube
> Goldberg line forwarding and shared line arrangements, and insisting on
> each customer having their own extension. I feel like if we switch
> platforms, or delivery methods, this will make things easier. Even this has
> been painful to implement, and not always practical.
>
> Regarding upgrades, we've limited ourselves to major upgrade windows
> biannually, and quarterly for SUs, non-critical COPs, etc. Despite
> everything being rubber stamped "24x7" , in reality very few things are. We
> push our maintenance to run overnight, or Friday evening into Saturday, and
> we go from there. IIRC you were cloning or rebuilding VMs within VMWare and
> juggling their connections to try and minimize downtime, but, we've found
> that as long as security and physical plant can operate in some regard, no
> one else really cares.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-19 Thread Pawlowski, Adam
I agree on several points you've made. As we continue to "run lean" (meaning, 
in some cases, on fumes) and our management and leadership are bombarded with 
firms offering to deliver everything we do as a managed service that just 
fountains in over the "cloud", the reality of it is that we're compared against 
these claims.

We've built here a responsible and flexible service, with which we can offer to 
any of our customers a robust set of features. That being said we see on 
average a 4% take on features such as SNR, Jabber, etc. We are not aggressive 
in our marketing, and at times I'd term it elusive even, so we could do better. 
But that means that 95% of people will probably deal with the basics.

That is somewhat what I am trying to prepare us for, not building rube Goldberg 
line forwarding and shared line arrangements, and insisting on each customer 
having their own extension. I feel like if we switch platforms, or delivery 
methods, this will make things easier. Even this has been painful to implement, 
and not always practical. 

Regarding upgrades, we've limited ourselves to major upgrade windows 
biannually, and quarterly for SUs, non-critical COPs, etc. Despite everything 
being rubber stamped "24x7" , in reality very few things are. We push our 
maintenance to run overnight, or Friday evening into Saturday, and we go from 
there. IIRC you were cloning or rebuilding VMs within VMWare and juggling their 
connections to try and minimize downtime, but, we've found that as long as 
security and physical plant can operate in some regard, no one else really 
cares.

Best,

Adam
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-16 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi

This may sound silly, but in reality, it's out of my hands. I can make 
recommendations, but it all depends on the strategic decision the organization 
takes. Right now, cloud migrations are at the forefront. For a number of 
reasons.

Our on-premise deployment has a budgetary lifecycle of peaks and valleys. 
They'd rather see that flatlined. That's one thing. The other thing is that it 
takes a lot of effort to upgrade systems right now. Not because we don't know 
what we're doing, but it simply requires effort and co-ordination.  I've had to 
argue for the last 25 years that telephone services need special attention. 
Case in point, a completely isolated VM infrastructure since that's the only 
way we can build those reservations. It's been hard. I think they're sick of 
hearing it. Well, they've said they're sick of hearing it.

So if there's a cloud service that gives us 10% of the CUCM feature set and 95% 
of what we need. It might be time.


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From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Pawlowski, 
Adam
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 12:58 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Regarding the SU release cycle, I believe I have heard similar claims before 
about cadence and committal to move forward and not maintain old code but I'll 
believe it when I see it.

Regarding the cloud services, we're being asked to look too like many shops. 
I'm struggling to find the real advantage to doing so, other than for the sake 
of it. Most of our customers treat our service like a utility, and if we have 
issues we are on it right away. Some don't really care, and that number grows a 
bit year over year. No one plans for continuing operations if there are 
interruptions, and if we ride over the commercial internet and lose that 
service as well people will freak out being cut off.

I'm still trying to work an angle to shift us internally towards user 
centricity a bit better. Get accounts for everyone, assign and track resources, 
one mailbox, etc. In trying to eliminate the old square/key PBX feel we built 
12 years ago out of this system (to replace so many of those ancient key 
systems), I'm hoping I can set us up to go forward into telephony applications, 
user focused services like Teams, etc which will make the pain easier. That 
would also let us get a better grasp on the classes of service that are going 
to form between the mission-critical and the yeah-it-would-be-nice-but-I-don't 
really-care, which can steer what runs prem or with fallback, and what runs 
hosted/cloud/out-of-my-hands.

Only real scare with a lot of these services is the lack of interface and 
access for someone like myself who likes APIs, who likes to tinker and build 
solutions and systems, instead of operating products.

Adam Pawlowski
SUNYAB NCS
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-16 Thread Pawlowski, Adam
Regarding the SU release cycle, I believe I have heard similar claims before 
about cadence and committal to move forward and not maintain old code but I'll 
believe it when I see it.

Regarding the cloud services, we're being asked to look too like many shops. 
I'm struggling to find the real advantage to doing so, other than for the sake 
of it. Most of our customers treat our service like a utility, and if we have 
issues we are on it right away. Some don't really care, and that number grows a 
bit year over year. No one plans for continuing operations if there are 
interruptions, and if we ride over the commercial internet and lose that 
service as well people will freak out being cut off.

I'm still trying to work an angle to shift us internally towards user 
centricity a bit better. Get accounts for everyone, assign and track resources, 
one mailbox, etc. In trying to eliminate the old square/key PBX feel we built 
12 years ago out of this system (to replace so many of those ancient key 
systems), I'm hoping I can set us up to go forward into telephony applications, 
user focused services like Teams, etc which will make the pain easier. That 
would also let us get a better grasp on the classes of service that are going 
to form between the mission-critical and the yeah-it-would-be-nice-but-I-don't 
really-care, which can steer what runs prem or with fallback, and what runs 
hosted/cloud/out-of-my-hands.

Only real scare with a lot of these services is the lack of interface and 
access for someone like myself who likes APIs, who likes to tinker and build 
solutions and systems, instead of operating products.

Adam Pawlowski
SUNYAB NCS
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
I’m hoping that Webex calling will come out with a “video mesh node” 
equivalent, so when your WAN link goes down, you have nodes on-premise to 
service your phones.

That being said, chances are, that won’t happen. Cisco is going to expect you 
to have a “Cloud Ready” network with multiple paths, QoS and peering set up.

I’m guessing may providers will soon have a backup 5G/6G cellular data option 
available so if that squirrel finally gets through chewing the fibre, you can 
prioritize voice traffic over the wireless backup link.



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From: Charles Goldsmith 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:46 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Ryan Huff ; Anthony Holloway 
; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all.  As we saw 
from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages.  Unless you are big enough 
to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.

I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back where 
it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.

My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from the 
occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just Webex.

Would I advise my bigger customers to switch?  Not yet.  Hybrid calling is good 
for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you have a well 
built network, etc.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.

That’s a sign of good things to come.

I’m convinced.

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From: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>>; 
Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

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From: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

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519-824-4120 

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Cloud is good for some things, IMHO, but not a once size fit all.  As we
saw from last year, the cloud is not immune to outages.  Unless you are big
enough to get a dedicated circuit, you have QoS issues.

I have yet to see WxTeams work seamlessly on my mobile, the bug is back
where it continues to ring after I answer on elsewhere.

My cloud connected home phone is rock solid (8865 to WxTeams), aside from
the occasional QoS hiccup, but I would get that with any provider, not just
Webex.

Would I advise my bigger customers to switch?  Not yet.  Hybrid calling is
good for now and a properly built UCM cluster just can't be beat if you
have a well built network, etc.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:38 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

>
>
> Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.
>
>
>
> That’s a sign of good things to come.
>
>
>
> I’m convinced.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> [image: University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Huff 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi 
> *Cc:* Anthony Holloway ; Charles
> Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not
> always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea
> are the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then.
> And your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams
> has that green restart symbol every two weeks.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uoguelph.ca%2Fccs=02%7C01%7C%7C22113f37d40644de57c608d721a523d2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637014865456429669=Pd10jsjcQBMgJXb1etRx7L0VkkiGRtg%2B06QmkUhomqY%3D=0>
> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Anthony Holloway 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi 
> *Cc:* Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> So if I do the math...
>
>
>
> No more minor versions
>
> ...punches some keys...
>
>
>
> And 2 month SU cycles
>
> ...punches more keys
>
>
>
> With an upper limit of 3 SUs
>
> ...punches even more keys...
>
>
>
> That's a new major version every 6 months!
>
>
>
> That means we'll see
>
> ..key punching intensifies...
>
>
>
> CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
> Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s
> either, three at most?
>
>
>
> **sigh**
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
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> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip  *On Behalf Of *Anthony
> Holloway
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
> *To:* Charles Goldsmith 
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco
> doesn't like us waiting for 

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi

Cisco is paying for clients who get “Cloud or Bust” tattoos.

That’s a sign of good things to come.

I’m convinced.

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From: Ryan Huff 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:31 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Anthony Holloway ; Charles Goldsmith 
; cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
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From: Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>; cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

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From: cisco-voip 
mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net>> 
On Behalf Of Anthony Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less 

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves there ;). Just like war, usually (but not 
always) the people who want 100% cloud calling or think it’s a great idea are 
the people who’ve never experienced it.. lol

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 13:22, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:


You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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From: Anthony Holloway 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
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To: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
You forgot how everyone will be migrating to Webex Calling before then. And 
your upgrade cycle will be out of control. Just like how Webex Teams has that 
green restart symbol every two weeks.

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From: Anthony Holloway 
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

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On Behalf Of Anthony Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith mailto:w...@woka.us>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciscolive.com%2Fc%2Fdam%2Fr%2Fciscolive%2Fus%2Fdocs%2F2019%2Fpdf%2FPSOCOL-1000.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C8f229ab7944c4083959608d72146906c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637014459258610309=NarczWk%2BTZBuID%2FEv3VbK%2FaimdV%2BVqiQMWCvAFw6zJU%3D=0>


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
So if I do the math...

No more minor versions
...punches some keys...

And 2 month SU cycles
...punches more keys

With an upper limit of 3 SUs
...punches even more keys...

That's a new major version every 6 months!

That means we'll see
..key punching intensifies...

CUCM 69 by mid-2046.  Just in time for me to retire!

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

> Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s
> either, three at most?
>
>
>
> **sigh**
>
>
>
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>
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> *From:* cisco-voip  *On Behalf Of *Anthony
> Holloway
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
> *To:* Charles Goldsmith 
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle
>
>
>
> Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco
> doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We
> all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.
>
>
>
> So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
> 76.
>
>
>
> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>
>
>
> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:
>
> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
> 15 after that).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
> more SU's and less major releases.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that,
> approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2
> months?
>
>
>
> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>
>
> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciscolive.com%2Fc%2Fdam%2Fr%2Fciscolive%2Fus%2Fdocs%2F2019%2Fpdf%2FPSOCOL-1000.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C8f229ab7944c4083959608d72146906c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637014459258610309=NarczWk%2BTZBuID%2FEv3VbK%2FaimdV%2BVqiQMWCvAFw6zJU%3D=0>
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>
>
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>
> Ki Wi
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi
Pretty sure I remember them saying there likely wouldn’t be that many SU’s 
either, three at most?

*sigh*

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From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't 
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know that 
the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
Make it SU5 in memory of the .5 releases.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:18 AM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:

> I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco
> doesn't like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We
> all know that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.
>
> So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on
>> version 76.
>>
>> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
>> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>>
>> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:
>>
>>> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
>>> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
>>> 15 after that).
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
>>> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
 more SU's and less major releases.

 On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:

> Hi Group,
> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than
> that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to
> every 2 months?
>
> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>
> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
> 
>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff
Anthony,

Slide 20 of the deck from this session 
(https://www.ciscolive.com/global/on-demand-library.html?search=cucm%20version=ciscoliveus2019#/session/1540336593046001DbNj)
 makes a loose reference to it in the timeline graphic.

There is a deck out there that gives a deeper explanation (and I'll send it to 
you if I have some time to look for it); but it was essentially because the BU 
felt features/enhancements were delayed to the field because everyone had a 
fear of " .0 " (not a wholly unfounded fear, IMO) and also some marketing jazz 
about being more inline with software revisionist trends .. etc.

-Ryan


From: Lelio Fulgenzi 
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To: Matthew Loraditch ; Anthony Holloway 
; Ryan Huff 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle




Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases.



It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their 
head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows.



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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle



I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.





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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle



Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.



But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.



If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?



On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).

Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:



What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>

Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Palmer, Brian
A lot of engineers act on the scars they have gotten in the past with products.



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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle


Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases.

It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their 
head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows.

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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.



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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
http://defang.bcbsfl.com/defang.php?url=https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf<http://defang.bcbsfl.com/defang.php?url=https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciscolive.com%2Fc%2Fdam%2Fr%2Fciscolive%2Fus%2Fdocs%2F2019%2Fpdf%2FPSOCOL-1000.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C8f229ab7944c4083959608d72146906c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637014459258610309=NarczWk%2BTZBuID%2FEv3VbK%2FaimdV%2BVqiQMWCvAFw6zJU%3D=0>


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Lelio Fulgenzi

Yeah, this was the jist. No one liked “dot oh” releases.

It just means people are now going to make up their own upgrade cycle in their 
head based on what we hear. Waiting until SU2 maybe? Who knows.

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.


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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciscolive.com%2Fc%2Fdam%2Fr%2Fciscolive%2Fus%2Fdocs%2F2019%2Fpdf%2FPSOCOL-1000.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C8f229ab7944c4083959608d72146906c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637014459258610309=NarczWk%2BTZBuID%2FEv3VbK%2FaimdV%2BVqiQMWCvAFw6zJU%3D=0>


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Matthew Loraditch
I heard this in a preso. Customers were not moving to .0 releases because they 
were perceived to be bad and waiting for .5 or .1 type releases. The defect 
rates though are not much if any different these days and they won’t want to be 
making releases that nobody uses.


Matthew Loraditch
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From: cisco-voip  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Holloway
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Ryan Huff 
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version 76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I didn't 
see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).
Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciscolive.com%2Fc%2Fdam%2Fr%2Fciscolive%2Fus%2Fdocs%2F2019%2Fpdf%2FPSOCOL-1000.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C8f229ab7944c4083959608d72146906c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637014459258610309=NarczWk%2BTZBuID%2FEv3VbK%2FaimdV%2BVqiQMWCvAFw6zJU%3D=0>


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Charles Goldsmith
I didn't see an announcement, was just told about the change, Cisco doesn't
like us waiting for the .5 release to push out to customers.  We all know
that the .0 releases have historically been more challenging.

So now, I plan to wait until at least su2 before upgrading :)


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:15 AM Anthony Holloway <
avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
> 76.
>
> But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
> didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.
>
> If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:
>
>> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
>> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
>> 15 after that).
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
>> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
>>> more SU's and less major releases.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Group,
 in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than
 that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to
 every 2 months?

 Reference : Page 20 of the link

 https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
 


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
Why not just all Major versions all the time?  Google Chrome is on version
76.

But seriously though, anyone got a reference to this announcement?  I
didn't see it in the cisco live preso linked earlier.

If not, what's the reported reason for dropping minor release numbers?

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:40 AM Ryan Huff  wrote:

> After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the
> SUs in between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably,
> 15 after that).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
>> more SU's and less major releases.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than
>>> that, approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to
>>> every 2 months?
>>>
>>> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>>>
>>> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Ryan Huff
After 12.5, no more “.5” releases, it’ll just be major versions (and the SUs in 
between). After 12.5 we skip 13 and go right to 14 (then presumably, 15 after 
that).

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2019, at 02:05, Anthony Holloway  
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What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith 
mailto:w...@woka.us>> wrote:
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting more 
SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi 
mailto:kiwi.vo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Group,
in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that, 
approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2 months?

Reference : Page 20 of the link
https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf


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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-15 Thread Anthony Holloway
What's going on with .5 releases?  I don't think I heard about that.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:16 PM Charles Goldsmith  wrote:

> Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
> more SU's and less major releases.
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:
>
>> Hi Group,
>> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that,
>> approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2
>> months?
>>
>> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>>
>> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
>>
>>
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Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM SU release cycle

2019-08-14 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Yeah, I think with the move away from the .5 releases, we'll be getting
more SU's and less major releases.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Ki Wi  wrote:

> Hi Group,
> in the past , the SU release is every 6 months (usually longer than that,
> approximately twice a year maximum) but now Cisco is changing to every 2
> months?
>
> Reference : Page 20 of the link
>
> https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/us/docs/2019/pdf/PSOCOL-1000.pdf
>
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