Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
While we are on the topic of certs, has anyone had issues with certain CAs not allowing top level domain as a SAN (e.g. cisco.com) ? GoDaddy would complain in the UI that you shouldn't have a top level domain as a SAN but would still sign the cert. I'm having a problem know with Internet2/Incommon where it won't let me put a top level domain in the cert as a SAN. It just won't take the CSR. Justin On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:16 AM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: I think it’s 15 SANS plus *.domain.com and domain.com Pricing is at https://www.digicert.com/wildcard-ssl-certificates.htm *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Holloway *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:49 PM *To:* Charles Goldsmith; Ian Anderson *Cc:* Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates That's great to hear about digicert. I just went through a rough time with Comodo trying to get multiserver certs and my CNAMEs in the SAN field. How many SAN entries does digicert limit you to and at what price per year? On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:19 AM Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: One thing of note, Digicert works very well with all of our UC apps with their UC certificate. Add all of your server names as SAN's, as well as the domain name, and just duplicate the certificate for each app, changing the CN. It works well and also Digicert has great support. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com.. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Heim, Dennis *Sent:* 15 July 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
Ya sorry I meant the parent domain. The issue ended up being that the Incommon wasn't setup right. Their 800 tech support fixed it in like 40 seconds which was pretty cool. I believe the 10.5 systems add the parent domain, or maybe it is just Multiserver certs. Justin Justin, TLDs are like .com, .net, .org , etc. I think you meant parent domain. Also, is that a feature of the multiserver cert, because I don't see CER for example putting the parent domain in the CSR. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM Justin Steinberg jsteinb...@gmail.com wrote: While we are on the topic of certs, has anyone had issues with certain CAs not allowing top level domain as a SAN (e.g. cisco.com) ? GoDaddy would complain in the UI that you shouldn't have a top level domain as a SAN but would still sign the cert. I'm having a problem know with Internet2/Incommon where it won't let me put a top level domain in the cert as a SAN. It just won't take the CSR. Justin On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:16 AM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: I think it’s 15 SANS plus *.domain.com and domain.com Pricing is at https://www.digicert.com/wildcard-ssl-certificates.htm *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Holloway *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:49 PM *To:* Charles Goldsmith; Ian Anderson *Cc:* Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates That's great to hear about digicert. I just went through a rough time with Comodo trying to get multiserver certs and my CNAMEs in the SAN field. How many SAN entries does digicert limit you to and at what price per year? On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:19 AM Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: One thing of note, Digicert works very well with all of our UC apps with their UC certificate. Add all of your server names as SAN's, as well as the domain name, and just duplicate the certificate for each app, changing the CN. It works well and also Digicert has great support. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com.. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
Justin, TLDs are like .com, .net, .org , etc. I think you meant parent domain. Also, is that a feature of the multiserver cert, because I don't see CER for example putting the parent domain in the CSR. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM Justin Steinberg jsteinb...@gmail.com wrote: While we are on the topic of certs, has anyone had issues with certain CAs not allowing top level domain as a SAN (e.g. cisco.com) ? GoDaddy would complain in the UI that you shouldn't have a top level domain as a SAN but would still sign the cert. I'm having a problem know with Internet2/Incommon where it won't let me put a top level domain in the cert as a SAN. It just won't take the CSR. Justin On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:16 AM, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: I think it’s 15 SANS plus *.domain.com and domain.com Pricing is at https://www.digicert.com/wildcard-ssl-certificates.htm *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Holloway *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 11:49 PM *To:* Charles Goldsmith; Ian Anderson *Cc:* Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates That's great to hear about digicert. I just went through a rough time with Comodo trying to get multiserver certs and my CNAMEs in the SAN field. How many SAN entries does digicert limit you to and at what price per year? On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:19 AM Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: One thing of note, Digicert works very well with all of our UC apps with their UC certificate. Add all of your server names as SAN's, as well as the domain name, and just duplicate the certificate for each app, changing the CN. It works well and also Digicert has great support. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com.. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
I think it’s 15 SANS plus *.domain.com and domain.com Pricing is at https://www.digicert.com/wildcard-ssl-certificates.htm From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Holloway Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:49 PM To: Charles Goldsmith; Ian Anderson Cc: Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates That's great to hear about digicert. I just went through a rough time with Comodo trying to get multiserver certs and my CNAMEs in the SAN field. How many SAN entries does digicert limit you to and at what price per year? On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:19 AM Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org mailto:wo...@justfamily.org wrote: One thing of note, Digicert works very well with all of our UC apps with their UC certificate. Add all of your server names as SAN's, as well as the domain name, and just duplicate the certificate for each app, changing the CN. It works well and also Digicert has great support. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk mailto:i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com http://e-payments.domain.com .. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com mailto:natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com http://domain.com and domain.com http://domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com http://domain.com and not DOMain.com http://DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com mailto:peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net ] On Behalf Of Heim, Dennis Sent: 15 July 2015 8:28 AM To: Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
One thing of note, Digicert works very well with all of our UC apps with their UC certificate. Add all of your server names as SAN's, as well as the domain name, and just duplicate the certificate for each app, changing the CN. It works well and also Digicert has great support. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com.. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Heim, Dennis *Sent:* 15 July 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. *Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)* World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [image: twitter] https://twitter.com/CollabSensei image002.pngimage003.png +13142121814image004.png “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room https://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Ian Anderson *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM *To:* NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? z I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just
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That's great to hear about digicert. I just went through a rough time with Comodo trying to get multiserver certs and my CNAMEs in the SAN field. How many SAN entries does digicert limit you to and at what price per year? On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:19 AM Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: One thing of note, Digicert works very well with all of our UC apps with their UC certificate. Add all of your server names as SAN's, as well as the domain name, and just duplicate the certificate for each app, changing the CN. It works well and also Digicert has great support. On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com.. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Heim, Dennis *Sent:* 15 July 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. *Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)* World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [image: twitter] https://twitter.com/CollabSensei image002.pngimage003.png +13142121814image004.png “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room https://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Ian Anderson *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM *To:* NateCCIE
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
Hi Nate, I think that the concern of using wildcards generaly comes from the security and compliance folks in that if the private key of any of the servers was to be compromised then the resulting public and private keys could be used to impersonate any subdomain, e.g e-payments.domain.com.. That said, as long as the customer is aware of the risk then the digicert is a fantastic option, although a lot of these issues go away in 10.5. The only app I've had it completely throw a wobble on so far is UCCX 9.0 as this was checking the CN on certificate upload and didn't like * even though the server name as in the SAN. Cheers Ian On 16 July 2015 at 02:35, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Heim, Dennis *Sent:* 15 July 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. *Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)* World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [image: twitter] https://twitter.com/CollabSensei image002.pngimage003.png +13142121814image004.png “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room https://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Ian Anderson *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM *To:* NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? z I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just for preservation in the archives for future posterity and confirmation that digicert seems fine despite the warnings in the manuals, it seemed I was running into 2 separate issues. 1) I had uploaded the intermediate cert, but needed to manually download and upload the root CA 2) That then got me past the TLS error, only to find that I had fat-fingered the hostname
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
Most of the time wildcard certs mean you have a CSR and a private key generated by something, and then you upload the private key and the public key to lots of servers. The application would need to be able to upload a private key and not require its own CSR. Cucm, unity cxn, uccx, do not support uploading a private key. Expressway, I think conductor do allow you to upload a private key. But what makes digicert really cool is you can buy the wildcard cert, then you keep reissuing a new certificate from that one purchase. You can do this from what I understand an unlimited times. There may be other CAs that do this. I saw one the seemed like it was going to work, but since the CSR did not include the * as a SAN, they would not issue the cert. Digicert with the Willard includes the *.domain.com and domain.com SANs automatically, and you can specify about 15 other SANs for each CSR/cert. So cucm and the other apps are happy because the cert was generated using its own CSR. Using these certs, I had one TAC case where cucm balked at the cert, but I could upload the cluster wide tomcat SAN cert via imp. This turned out to be a problem with the domain casing not matching between all of the servers and the cert. always use domain.com and not DOMain.com and life is happy. I am not affiliated with digicert other than they are here in Utah also. It just makes life really easy to tell the customer to buy this one cert and O I can make all of the Cisco UC/jabber cert errors go away! Ps. Has anyone figured out what to do with conductor wanting IP address in the SAN? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Anthony Holloway avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Heim, Dennis Sent: 15 July 2015 8:28 AM To: Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration) World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 image002.pngimage003.pngimage004.png “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ian Anderson Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM To: NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? z I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just for preservation in the archives for future posterity and confirmation that digicert seems fine despite the warnings in the manuals, it seemed I was running into 2 separate issues. 1) I had uploaded the intermediate cert, but needed to manually download and upload the root CA 2) That then got me past the TLS error, only to find that I had fat-fingered the hostname in the SAN field :-( Cheers Ian The contents of this message may contain confidential and/or privileged subject matter. If this message has been received in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Like other forms of communication, e-mail communications may be vulnerable to interception by unauthorized parties. If you do not wish us to communicate with you by e-mail, please notify us at your earliest convenience. In the absence of such notification, your consent is assumed. Should you choose to allow us to communicate by e-mail, we will not take any additional security measures (such as encryption) unless specifically requested. If you no longer wish to receive commercial messages, you can unsubscribe by accessing this link: http
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
To Dennis' point you don't have to put DNS=mycollab.com in the SAN. There is an alternative to use DNS=collab-edge.mycollab.com http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/expressway/config_guide/X8-5/Mobile-Remote-Access-via-Expressway-Deployment-Guide-X8-5.pdf [image: Inline image 1] On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Heim, Dennis dennis.h...@wwt.com wrote: If you have not seen the Cisco Live session on collab security I would definitely recommend it. It had some good discussion on certificates. Based on that Wildcard certs will never be supported on CUCM and the like and are frowned upon within the security community. *Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)* World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [image: twitter] https://twitter.com/CollabSensei [image: chat][image: Phone] +13142121814[image: video] “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room https://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim *From:* Eric Pedersen [mailto:peders...@bennettjones.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:51 PM *To:* Anthony Holloway; Heim, Dennis; Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* RE: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates Good point. I spoke too soon: we use wildcard certificates on VCS-E and WebEx Meeting Server only. IIRC VCS officially doesn’t support wildcard certificates either but everything seems to work provided the hostnames are configured as SANs. CUCM might be the same with the multi-server certificate but I haven’t tried. *From:* Anthony Holloway [mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 July 2015 10:43 AM *To:* Eric Pedersen; Heim, Dennis; Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Heim, Dennis *Sent:* 15 July 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. *Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)* World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [image: twitter] https://twitter.com/CollabSensei [image: chat][image: Phone] +13142121814[image: video] “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room https://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Ian Anderson *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM *To:* NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? z I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just for preservation in the archives for future posterity and confirmation that digicert seems fine despite the warnings in the manuals, it seemed I was running into 2 separate issues. 1) I had uploaded the intermediate cert, but needed to manually download and upload the root CA 2) That then got me past the TLS error, only to find that I had fat-fingered the hostname in the SAN field :-( Cheers Ian The contents of this message may contain confidential and/or privileged subject matter. If this message has been received in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Like other forms of communication, e-mail communications may be vulnerable to interception by unauthorized parties. If you do not wish us to communicate with you by e-mail, please notify us at your earliest convenience. In the absence of such notification, your
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
If you have not seen the Cisco Live session on collab security I would definitely recommend it. It had some good discussion on certificates. Based on that Wildcard certs will never be supported on CUCM and the like and are frowned upon within the security community. Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration) World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [twitter]https://twitter.com/CollabSensei [chat]xmpp:dennis.h...@wwt.com[Phone]tel:+13142121814[video]sip:dennis.h...@wwt.com “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Roomhttps://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim From: Eric Pedersen [mailto:peders...@bennettjones.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:51 PM To: Anthony Holloway; Heim, Dennis; Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates Good point. I spoke too soon: we use wildcard certificates on VCS-E and WebEx Meeting Server only. IIRC VCS officially doesn’t support wildcard certificates either but everything seems to work provided the hostnames are configured as SANs. CUCM might be the same with the multi-server certificate but I haven’t tried. From: Anthony Holloway [mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2015 10:43 AM To: Eric Pedersen; Heim, Dennis; Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.commailto:peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Heim, Dennis Sent: 15 July 2015 8:28 AM To: Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration) World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [twitter]https://twitter.com/CollabSensei [chat][Phone]tel:+13142121814[video] “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Roomhttps://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ian Anderson Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM To: NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.commailto:natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? z I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just for preservation in the archives for future posterity and confirmation that digicert seems fine despite the warnings in the manuals, it seemed I was running into 2 separate issues. 1) I had uploaded the intermediate cert, but needed to manually download and upload the root CA 2) That then got me past the TLS error, only to find that I had fat-fingered the hostname in the SAN field :-( Cheers Ian The contents of this message may contain confidential and/or privileged subject matter. If this message has been received in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Like other forms of communication, e-mail communications may be vulnerable to interception by unauthorized parties. If you do not wish us to communicate with you by e-mail, please notify us at your earliest convenience. In the absence of such notification, your consent is assumed. Should you choose to allow us to communicate by e-mail, we will not take any additional security measures (such as encryption) unless specifically requested. If you no longer wish to receive commercial messages, you can unsubscribe by accessing this link: http://www.bennettjones.com/unsubscribe ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.netmailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco
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Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Sent from my iPhone +1 801 718 2308 On Jul 15, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Ian Anderson i...@andersoi.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I'm resurrecting an old thread from the deep, where Nate suggested using DigiCert wildcard certificates for UC infrastructure. I'm trying to use some of these for a Expressway MRA implementation, and am struggling with the TLS-verification between the Expressway-E and Expressway-C. There are a few posts out there on 'tinternet that seem to suggest that Wildcard certificates aren't supported, however Nate's post below indicated that the digicert wildcards worked fine with expressway. Before I put a permanent dent in this desk with my head, has anyone else had success with Digicert wildcard certs in an Expressway MRA deployment? Cheers Ian On 5 Feb 2015, at 16:51, NateCCIE nateccie at gmail.com wrote: Use DIGICERT! You can get a wildcard cert from them, and use it over and over. So you just generate the cert based on the CSR from each app and it loads right in. Works great on CUCM, CUC, CUP, Expressway! ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
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On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just for preservation in the archives for future posterity and confirmation that digicert seems fine despite the warnings in the manuals, it seemed I was running into 2 separate issues. 1) I had uploaded the intermediate cert, but needed to manually download and upload the root CA 2) That then got me past the TLS error, only to find that I had fat-fingered the hostname in the SAN field :-( Cheers Ian ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates
I'm a little confused here. According to this article: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice-unified-communications/unified-communications-manager-callmanager/115957-high-level-view-ca-00.html#wildcard, and this defect ID: https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCta14114/, wild card certs are not supported. Are we talking about the same thing here? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:08 AM Eric Pedersen peders...@bennettjones.com wrote: Digicert lets you put your domain and subdomains of any level as SANs. It’s great! They even generated a duplicate certificate for me with a different root CA that was supported with WebEx enabled Telepresence. We use their wildcard certificates on all of our UC servers. *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Heim, Dennis *Sent:* 15 July 2015 8:28 AM *To:* Ian Anderson; NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates I’ve found the hardest thing to find a cert providers that likes putting the domain as a san such as DNS=mycollab.com. Has anyone found any providers that are kosher with that? From one of the Cisco Live sessions, I was told this is needed for service discovery to function properly. *Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)* World Wide Technology, Inc. | +1 314-212-1814 [image: twitter] https://twitter.com/CollabSensei [image: chat][image: Phone] +13142121814[image: video] “There is a fine line between Wrong and Visionary. Unfortunately, you have to be a visionary to see it. – Sheldon Cooper Click here to join me in my Collaboration Meeting Room https://wwt.webex.com/meet/dennis.heim *From:* cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Ian Anderson *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM *To:* NateCCIE; Cisco VOIP *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Digicert Wildcard certificates On 15 July 2015 at 15:02, NateCCIE natec...@gmail.com wrote: Did you put all of your SANs in the digicert page? z I have this working on all of my expressway installs. Hi Nate, Thanks for the quick response, just for preservation in the archives for future posterity and confirmation that digicert seems fine despite the warnings in the manuals, it seemed I was running into 2 separate issues. 1) I had uploaded the intermediate cert, but needed to manually download and upload the root CA 2) That then got me past the TLS error, only to find that I had fat-fingered the hostname in the SAN field :-( Cheers Ian The contents of this message may contain confidential and/or privileged subject matter. If this message has been received in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Like other forms of communication, e-mail communications may be vulnerable to interception by unauthorized parties. If you do not wish us to communicate with you by e-mail, please notify us at your earliest convenience. In the absence of such notification, your consent is assumed. Should you choose to allow us to communicate by e-mail, we will not take any additional security measures (such as encryption) unless specifically requested. If you no longer wish to receive commercial messages, you can unsubscribe by accessing this link: http://www.bennettjones.com/unsubscribe ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip ___ cisco-voip mailing list cisco-voip@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip
