[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch- Hintz - English guitar(guitttar)

2009-08-19 Thread Andrew Rutherford
   Here's the quote from Hintz, from the Public Advertiser, Mar 17, 1766:
   "that he has, after many Years Study and Application in endeavouring to
   bring this favourite Instrument the Guittar (being the first Inventor)
   still to a greater perfection in regard to tuning and keeping the same
   in Tune, which has always been a principal Defect as well as
   inconvenient, has now found out, on a Principal entirely new, several
   Methods, whereby it is much easier and exacter tuned, and also remains
   much longer in Tune than by any Method hitherto known."^53
   I fished this out of Lanie Graf's article.  He's talking about his new
   tuning machine but doesn't explain how it works. ( People have noted
   that 1766 seems rather late to be inventing a tuning machine for the
   guittar;  that Preston had already been there.  Do we know that for
   certain?)
   Anyway, he throws in parenthetically that he was "it's first inventor"

   On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Stuart Walsh <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   wrote:

   Andrew Rutherford wrote:

   Re the cittern and the Moravians, Lanie Graf published something
 in a
   recent Moravian Archives journal all about citterns, Moravians and
   Frederick Hintz, the furniture maker turned guittar maker.  You
 can
   find the relevent (sp?) info on her ning page.
   By the way, Hintz claimed to have "invented" the English guitar.
 I
   think he may have invented the major-chord tuning for the cittern
 when
   he moved to England...   andy r

   Andy
   What is the reference for the claim by Hintz, that he invented the
   English guitar? And what date?
   I think the chordal tuning may well pre-date the 1750s. But definitely
   something happened in Britain the 1750s.Well lots of things happened
   then -  but in the world of citterns. Several contemporary accounts
   describe the (English) guitar/guittar as  new or newly introduced, and,
   as far as I know, no instruments and no publications date from before
   the 1750s. And the typical (English) guitar/guittar has a chordal
   tuning, on six courses of wire strings with the top four courses paired
   and the bottom two, single. As far as I know, no cittern with that
   tuning and stringing arrangement exists before the 1750s. And the
   instrument tended to be called a guitar/guittar and the music is not in
   tablature.
   I've tended to suppose that the immediate origin is a four-course
   instrument - four pairs of strings, tuned chordally, gceg, probably
   German, probably played with the fingers, not a plectrum.And then
   someone in Britain, probably in London,  added the two single basses
   and somehow started a huge fashion for the instrument among the
   well-off. So that many, many instruments were made and lots and lots of
   music published for the  next 20-30+ years.
   Maybe Hintz was the man! Maybe he thought of the idea of an elegant but
   simple instrument for well-off amateurs. He added two single basses to
   extend the range of notes of C major. He discarded the tablature
   concept and just had almost everything in C major. Hintz made
   instruments, he published some music and, I can't remember, but perhaps
   he was a publisher of music too. But he (or whoever it was) must have
   had very good connections for the fashion to take off so well amongst
   the more well-to-do.
   Hintz also published some hymn tunes. I wrote out a few of them ages
   ago. They are quite unlike most EG  music, three-part block chords,
   rather than running single lines. But they're not like the Moravian
   choralbuch either.
   Stuart.

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[CITTERN] Re: Moravian Choralbuch- Hintz - English guitar(guitttar)

2009-08-19 Thread Stuart Walsh

Andrew Rutherford wrote:

   Re the cittern and the Moravians, Lanie Graf published something in a
   recent Moravian Archives journal all about citterns, Moravians and
   Frederick Hintz, the furniture maker turned guittar maker.  You can
   find the relevent (sp?) info on her ning page.
   By the way, Hintz claimed to have "invented" the English guitar.  I
   think he may have invented the major-chord tuning for the cittern when
   he moved to England...   andy r

   

Andy

What is the reference for the claim by Hintz, that he invented the 
English guitar? And what date?


I think the chordal tuning may well pre-date the 1750s. But definitely 
something happened in Britain the 1750s.Well lots of things happened 
then -  but in the world of citterns. Several contemporary accounts 
describe the (English) guitar/guittar as  new or newly introduced, and, 
as far as I know, no instruments and no publications date from before 
the 1750s. And the typical (English) guitar/guittar has a chordal 
tuning, on six courses of wire strings with the top four courses paired 
and the bottom two, single. As far as I know, no cittern with that 
tuning and stringing arrangement exists before the 1750s. And the 
instrument tended to be called a guitar/guittar and the music is not in 
tablature.


I've tended to suppose that the immediate origin is a four-course 
instrument - four pairs of strings, tuned chordally, gceg, probably 
German, probably played with the fingers, not a plectrum.And then 
someone in Britain, probably in London,  added the two single basses and 
somehow started a huge fashion for the instrument among the well-off. So 
that many, many instruments were made and lots and lots of music 
published for the  next 20-30+ years.


Maybe Hintz was the man! Maybe he thought of the idea of an elegant but 
simple instrument for well-off amateurs. He added two single basses to 
extend the range of notes of C major. He discarded the tablature concept 
and just had almost everything in C major. Hintz made instruments, he 
published some music and, I can't remember, but perhaps he was a 
publisher of music too. But he (or whoever it was) must have had very 
good connections for the fashion to take off so well amongst the more 
well-to-do.


Hintz also published some hymn tunes. I wrote out a few of them ages 
ago. They are quite unlike most EG  music, three-part block chords, 
rather than running single lines. But they're not like the Moravian 
choralbuch either.



Stuart.




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