Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0700 Jim Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] My take on your post is that installing software blindly on a multi-user system is at best irresponsible. On a workstation on your desk, the effects of your actions are limited to you alone. This is not the case on a

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread James Kosin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern package that fails to install and just work. -- snip -- Jim You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to do with RPM packages or

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Steve, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0700 Jim Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] My take on your post is that installing software blindly on a multi-user system is at best irresponsible. On a workstation on your desk, the effects of your actions are limited to you

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
James, James Kosin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern package that fails to install and just work. -- snip -- Jim You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Gary V
Jim Redman wrote: Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern package that fails to install and just work. -- snip -- Jim You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to do with RPM packages or maintaining Fedora releases of the extra packages they

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
I WANT to know NOTHING about ClamAV, I wish to remain ignorant. I even trust the folks who produce RPMs to come up with reasonable defaults for file locations, max sizes, etc. etc. etc. As _IS_ the case with just about every other install. You have obviously been very successful in

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Luca Gibelli
Hello Jim, Instead the packages need me to learn some of the inner workings of ClamAV and FreshClam (forget editing the conf files, the packages don't even seem to work together out of the box), and since I really don't care about learning this, I'm going to get as far as making it work

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they don't use freshclam in daemon mode, they use cron to run it. There's a perfectly good tool provided that does all the necessary things to link freshclam to clamd, and they don't use it. If you run freshclam as a

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
James, James Kosin wrote: Unfortunately, if they are a brain-dead sysadmin, I drought they would know what to do with a VIRUS if ClamAV found one. Remember, ClamAV will find viruses, but, not clean them from infected programs. This is a good point, I would argue that the default in this

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) Dennis Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they don't use freshclam in daemon mode, they use cron to run it. There's a perfectly good tool provided that does all the necessary

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) Dennis Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I accept your points Dennis, I'm just puzzled that people have so much trouble with freshclam daemons. I have used it for years and find it 100% reliable after a few problems with settings in the early