Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-16 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2004-11-15 16:23:19 -0500, Bart Silverstrim wrote: I find it interesting though that I've yet to hear from anyone commenting on my proposal to create a filter that will extract and convert all emails into pure text, or reformat it so only certain things can get through as an attachment

AW: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Steffen Heil
Hi How can I configure ClamAV not to try to detect phishing and other social engineering attacks? Modify your mail scanner to pass HTML.Phishing.* through. What happens in the case, that some virus programmer reads this list and now creates a virus, that contains a phishing html content,

RE: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Trog
On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 14:57, Julian Mehnle wrote: 3. I am using the SpamCop reporting tool[1] to file complaints to ISPs about spam (which specifically includes phishing attacks) that I receive. SpamCop requires spam samples to be manually checked for spamminess before being

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Nigel Horne
You can set the Advisory mode in clamav-milter to effect this. -Nigel ___ http://lists.clamav.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/clamav-users

RE: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Daniel J McDonald
On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 08:26 -0500, jef moskot wrote: The average admin is most likely very pleased with the ClamAV team's decision to block phishing attacks (or at least the incredibly prevelant ones). Yes, absolutely. The poor **cough cough** exchange 5.5 **cough cough** servers that I

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Nov 15, 2004, at 8:26 AM, jef moskot wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Trog wrote: For example, the last Bagle (or Bofra) outbreak simply sent an email to it's target victims, who then have to click on a link to download the Worm. According to your definition, that is a 'social' attack, and should

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread jef moskot
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Bart Silverstrim wrote: I'd say leave it to the antispammers to hammer out, and to the people who focus on bayes filters... In my case, if Clam has a chance to see the phishing e-mail, the anti-spam tactics have already failed. So, from my point of view, this is extra

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Nov 15, 2004, at 11:14 AM, jef moskot wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Bart Silverstrim wrote: I'd say leave it to the antispammers to hammer out, and to the people who focus on bayes filters... In my case, if Clam has a chance to see the phishing e-mail, the anti-spam tactics have already failed.

RE: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Julian Mehnle
Daniel J McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 18:00 +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: What I don't understand is that no one seems to be willing to discuss my proposal of making the signature database modular, i.e. offer social engineering attack signatures separately from

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread jef moskot
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Bart Silverstrim wrote: ...if you're going to start moving it into another direction, it may be best to fork that and leave the original recipe alone until the new direction... I think you're overstating what the ClamAV team is trying to accomplish here. Forget the

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Nov 15, 2004, at 2:02 PM, jef moskot wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Bart Silverstrim wrote: ...if you're going to start moving it into another direction, it may be best to fork that and leave the original recipe alone until the new direction... I think you're overstating what the ClamAV team is

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Matt
Bart Silverstrim wrote: I find it interesting though that I've yet to hear from anyone commenting on my proposal to create a filter that will extract and convert all emails into pure text, or reformat it so only certain things can get through as an attachment with a pure text message so it

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Dave Goodrich
Bart Silverstrim wrote: I find it interesting though that I've yet to hear from anyone commenting on my proposal to create a filter that will extract and convert all emails into pure text, or reformat it so only certain things can get through as an attachment with a pure text message so it

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Nov 15, 2004, at 5:35 PM, Nigel Horne wrote: On Monday 15 Nov 2004 9:23 pm, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Since I don't know any of the developers You can find our names in .../AUTHORS. -Bart -Nigel Well...I still don't *KNOW* you :-) Nice to kinda sorta meet you though. You and the rest of

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-15 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Nov 15, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Dave Goodrich wrote: Bart Silverstrim wrote: I find it interesting though that I've yet to hear from anyone commenting on my proposal to create a filter that will extract and convert all emails into pure text, or reformat it so only certain things can get through as

RE: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-14 Thread Julian Mehnle
Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Mehnle wrote: How can I configure ClamAV not to try to detect phishing and other social engineering attacks? Why? Your prerogative, obviously, but I am just curious. For three reasons: 1. I consider filtering technically harmful messages for my users

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-14 Thread John Jolet
On the issue of manually reviewing the mails to submitisn't this the purpose of the quarantine directory? When it detects a phishing malware, look at the file in the quarantine directory. On Sunday 14 November 2004 8:57 am, Julian Mehnle wrote: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian

Re: [Clamav-users] ClamAV should not try to detect phishing andother social engineering attacks

2004-11-14 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Nov 14, 2004, at 10:01 AM, John Jolet wrote: On the issue of manually reviewing the mails to submitisn't this the purpose of the quarantine directory? When it detects a phishing malware, look at the file in the quarantine directory. I think he's thinking that this is more time and labor