Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Mario Torre
Il giorno gio, 10/01/2008 alle 20.03 +0100, Mark Wielaard ha scritto: > No worries. We know trolls and how to deal with them. > We do have a flow chart that people have to follow when contributing to > GNU Classpath. It is all very formal really: > http://gnu.wildebeest.org/~mark/patch.png Oh, de

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Archie Cobbs
And in case anyone is under any illusions, Sun's record of fixing bugs (and not re-breaking them) is poor. The number #1 voted bug* in their bug database has been unfixed for over 5 YEARS! -Archie * http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=4670071 -- Archie L. Cobbs

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Dalibor Topic
Andy Tripp wrote: Also, as FOSS developers start to contribute to OpenJDK, I'm already seeing suggestions for changes where the rationale seems to be "because that's how FOSS projects do things", with of course the underlying assumption that that makes it a reasonable approach. That's how discu

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Robert Lougher
Hi, I've nothing to add to the defense of GNU Classpath beyond what Roman and Andrew have already said. Instead I'd like to point out that Andy Tripp isn't new to this, and nobody should waste any more time: http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t53790.html Rob.

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Andrew John Hughes
snip... With > the closed approach the developers (or vendors) have to take over 100% > responsibility (because the end user has no way to interact with the > development), which usually makes things very formal and slow, where the > open approach relies very much on the end users reporting problem

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Andrew John Hughes
On 10/01/2008, Andy Tripp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Comments and criticisms welcome. > > > I suppose this is more of a troll than a criticism, sorry about that. > That's okay -- as Mark says, it's nothing new. > > Classpath bugs don't > > have such administration issues due to > > it

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Roman Kennke
Hi Andy, > > Comments and criticisms welcome. > > > I suppose this is more of a troll than a criticism, sorry about that. > > > Classpath bugs don't > > have such administration issues due to > > its longer history as a FOSS project and existing community-oriented fun > > development paradigm.

Re: Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Andy, On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 12:22 -0500, Andy Tripp wrote: > > > I suppose this is more of a troll than a criticism, sorry about that. No worries. We know trolls and how to deal with them. We do have a flow chart that people have to follow when contributing to GNU Classpath. It is all very

Quality control and FOSS rant

2008-01-10 Thread Andy Tripp
Comments and criticisms welcome. I suppose this is more of a troll than a criticism, sorry about that. Classpath bugs don't have such administration issues due to its longer history as a FOSS project and existing community-oriented fun development paradigm. Wouldn't it be more accurate to