Re: [cp-patches] Other class libraries

2008-07-01 Thread Christian Thalinger
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 11:42 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > Hmm, I'm not sure that explanations should be punted to unfree > documentation. If the logic is so obscure that it needs a > reference, then it perhaps should be spelled out. Here's the patch for Integer. I have also added a Mauve test. -

Re: [cp-patches] Other class libraries

2008-07-01 Thread Andrew Haley
Christian Thalinger wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 10:21 +0100, Andrew John Hughes wrote: >> I thought you already had :D > > No, but I did now. > diff -u -3 -p -r1.26 Long.java > --- java/lang/Long.java 18 Apr 2008 21:00:11 - 1.26 > +++ java/lang/Long.java 1 Jul 2008 08:11:42 - > @@

Re: Other class libraries

2008-07-01 Thread Christian Thalinger
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 10:21 +0100, Andrew John Hughes wrote: > I thought you already had :D No, but I did now. - twisti --- Index: ChangeLog === RCS file: /cvsroot/classpath/classpath/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.9667 diff -u

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-27 Thread Andrew John Hughes
2008/6/27 Christian Thalinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 18:45 +0200, Christian Thalinger wrote: >> I guess this email came from the Long.signum() discussion we had today > > Ehh... will someone actually fix this bug? Otherwise I'll do it in the > Hackers Delight/OpenJDK way. > >

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-27 Thread Christian Thalinger
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 18:45 +0200, Christian Thalinger wrote: > I guess this email came from the Long.signum() discussion we had today Ehh... will someone actually fix this bug? Otherwise I'll do it in the Hackers Delight/OpenJDK way. - twisti

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread dalibor topic
Andrew John Hughes wrote: 2008/6/25 dalibor topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Well I suppose the question is more 'how much OpenJDK is needed to be substantially derived?' It's hard to draw a minimum requirement line, so I guess it'll be a case-by-case decision, when necessary. I think a the major

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Andrew John Hughes
2008/6/25 dalibor topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andrew John Hughes wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, such suppositions aren't worth much in legal terms (and >> let's get the obvious IANAL disclaimer in here before I say any more). >> As we discussed a little on IRC earlier today, it's actually quite a >>

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Mario Torre
Il giorno mar, 24/06/2008 alle 22.18 +0100, Andrew John Hughes ha scritto: Hi Andrew! > both the Classpath and OpenJDK codebases of late, as have Mark, Mario, > Christian and probably others I don't, when I change code in OpenJDK I do this blindly :) On the other hand, you have my word (legally

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread dalibor topic
dalibor topic wrote: Andrew John Hughes wrote: Dalibor, could you give us something from Sun's side on this issue? I'm not sure on which one: * whether combining a GPLd VM with OpenJDK class library would be sufficiently derived as far ar the OCTLA goes? Yes, please see the GB minutes

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Andrew, On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 11:32 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > > So concretely. If you find a bug in GNU Classpath, it is OK if you test > > against some other implementation and see what it does (run various > > programs and tests). It isn't OK to go study the other implementation > > code t

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread dalibor topic
Robert Schuster wrote: Unfortunately, such suppositions aren't worth much in legal terms (and let's get the obvious IANAL disclaimer in here before I say any more). If that is the problem couldn't we get an official stance from Sun that prevents that? Something saying: "if some part of code

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Andrew Haley
Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 11:32 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> So concretely. If you find a bug in GNU Classpath, it is OK if you test >>> against some other implementation and see what it does (run various >>> programs and tests). It isn't OK to go study the other implementatio

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Andrew Haley
Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 23:30 +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: >> IANAL either, but from my understanding this is not the problem. At >> least not for contributors. The problem is copyright, and this is >> regardless of the license, proprietary or free. If I look at Sun's code >> an

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread dalibor topic
Andrew John Hughes wrote: Unfortunately, such suppositions aren't worth much in legal terms (and let's get the obvious IANAL disclaimer in here before I say any more). As we discussed a little on IRC earlier today, it's actually quite a ridiculous situation that GNU Classpath and OpenJDK are jus

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 23:30 +0200, Roman Kennke wrote: > IANAL either, but from my understanding this is not the problem. At > least not for contributors. The problem is copyright, and this is > regardless of the license, proprietary or free. If I look at Sun's code > and then go and implement

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi. Andrew John Hughes schrieb: > I find myself asking the same questions, and this is why I raised the > questions. I don't have all the answers either, and I'm sorry if the > original mail came across like I was dictating a particular position. > That wasn't the intention. FWIW, yes, both you a

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Andrew John Hughes
On 24/06/2008, Roman Kennke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As we discussed a little on IRC earlier today, it's actually quite a > > ridiculous situation that GNU Classpath and OpenJDK are just about > > under the same license, but because of that 'or later' clause, they > > are incompatible. >

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Roman Kennke
> As we discussed a little on IRC earlier today, it's actually quite a > ridiculous situation that GNU Classpath and OpenJDK are just about > under the same license, but because of that 'or later' clause, they > are incompatible. IANAL either, but from my understanding this is not the problem. At

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Andrew John Hughes
; > approach we had > > when it was proprietary. When working on GNU Classpath, we still need > > to be careful > > about cross-pollination between codebases, even though the OpenJDK > > class libraries > > are under (nearly) the same license. > > >

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Andrew John Hughes
on't look if working on the same code' > > approach we had > > when it was proprietary. When working on GNU Classpath, we still need > > to be careful > > about cross-pollination between codebases, even though the OpenJDK > > class libraries > &g

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Roman Kennke
need > to be careful > about cross-pollination between codebases, even though the OpenJDK > class libraries > are under (nearly) the same license. > > This also applies for other class libraries, namely Harmony's. So where is the boundary? I already spent significant time st

Re: Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Christian Thalinger
ary. When working on GNU Classpath, we still need > to be careful > about cross-pollination between codebases, even though the OpenJDK > class libraries > are under (nearly) the same license. > > This also applies for other class libraries, namely Harmony's. I guess this em

Other class libraries

2008-06-24 Thread Andrew John Hughes
on between codebases, even though the OpenJDK class libraries are under (nearly) the same license. This also applies for other class libraries, namely Harmony's. Thanks, -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://