Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Konrad Hinsen
On 19 Apr 2011, at 03:02, Sean Corfield wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Konrad Hinsen wrote: If nothing else is decided collectively, I'll maintain them as private projects on Google Codes or Bitbucket. If they don't end up as part of the new lineup of contrib libraries, would you at

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Konrad Hinsen
On 19 Apr 2011, at 02:15, Rich Hickey wrote: The only criterion for migrating into new contrib is someone willing to do the work of moving, and, subsequently, maintaining. OK, thanks for the clarification! Stuart Sierra has documented the process here:

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Konrad Hinsen konrad.hin...@fastmail.net wrote: I'll try to see if I can manage to migrate to new contrib (I am not exactly looking forward to all those new tools to learn) I hadn't needed to deal with maven until I tried to set up clojure.java.jdbc - but that

Re: Feedback Request

2011-04-19 Thread Alfredo
I haven't look nothing but the REAME too, but the project seems promising :) Good work and keep improving it! Alfredo On Apr 19, 3:23 am, Rayne disciplera...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had a chance to look over more than the README, but I was actually considering writing something like this

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Michael Wood
On 19 April 2011 08:25, Konrad Hinsen konrad.hin...@fastmail.net wrote: On 19 Apr 2011, at 03:02, Sean Corfield wrote: On Apr 18, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Konrad Hinsen wrote: If nothing else is decided collectively, I'll maintain them as private projects on Google Codes or Bitbucket. If they

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Stuart Halloway
Concerning my own modules in old contrib, there are three that I use myself and that I am planning to maintain, independently of where they will end up: - clojure.contrib.monads - clojure.contrib.macro-utils - clojure.contrib.generic There is an empty repos already waiting for your macro

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Laurent PETIT
2011/4/19 Stuart Halloway stuart.hallo...@gmail.com: Concerning my own modules in old contrib, there are three that I use myself and that I am planning to maintain, independently of where they will end up: - clojure.contrib.monads - clojure.contrib.macro-utils - clojure.contrib.generic

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Stuart Halloway
2011/4/19 Stuart Halloway stuart.hallo...@gmail.com: Concerning my own modules in old contrib, there are three that I use myself and that I am planning to maintain, independently of where they will end up: - clojure.contrib.monads - clojure.contrib.macro-utils - clojure.contrib.generic

Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Damien Lepage
Hi Everyone, I'm on a mission: introducing Clojure in my company, which is a big consulting company like many others. I started talking about Clojure to my manager yesterday. I was prepared to talk about all the technical benefits and he was interested. I still have a long way to go but I think

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-? macro

2011-04-19 Thread Konrad Hinsen
On 19 Apr, 2011, at 13:56 , Stuart Halloway wrote: Concerning my own modules in old contrib, there are three that I use myself and that I am planning to maintain, independently of where they will end up: - clojure.contrib.monads - clojure.contrib.macro-utils - clojure.contrib.generic

Re: Feedback Request

2011-04-19 Thread pepijn (aka fliebel)
I'll look at it more closely later, but the idea of a Swing wrapper DSL is awesome. It occurred to me that Lisp is data as code, and that every object can transform itself into something printable (toString). So why don't objects support toSwing? With the aid of metadata, I'm sure it could work.

Re: ANN: Begame, Clojure game engine

2011-04-19 Thread pepijn (aka fliebel)
Oh, HTML got lost. Links: http://pepijndevos.nl/on-the-proccess-of-writing-a-game-engine-in-c https://github.com/pepijndevos/Begame/tree/master/src/examples https://github.com/pepijndevos/Begame/ On Apr 19, 4:32 pm, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In the past weeks I've worked

ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Chas Emerick
Today, I’m opening up a “preview” site for Clojure Atlas [1], a new side project of mine that I’m particularly excited about. Clojure Atlas is an experiment in visualizing a programming language and its standard library. I’ve long been frustrated with the limitations of text in programming,

Re: Feedback Request

2011-04-19 Thread Dave Ray
Thanks. At the moment Seesaw has a ToWidget protocol which it uses to implicitly convert things to Swing components (String - JLabel, Action - JButton, etc). So it should be pretty extensible beyond the default conversions that are supplied. Dave On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, pepijn (aka

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant
Oh wow, this looks exciting! Subbed. Ambrose On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.comwrote: Today, I’m opening up a “preview” site for Clojure Atlas [1], a new side project of mine that I’m particularly excited about. Clojure Atlas is an experiment in visualizing

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Paul deGrandis
This is a great piece visualization for Clojure and very much how I think about the language as I'm working with it (based on the pictures and descriptions). This is a nice niche piece of documentation for the community, power users, and newly emerging Clojure shops. Is your freemium model

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread rob levy
This seems great. The $20 bothers me, not because I don't want to pay it, I would gladly donate this meager amount for such a useful resource. There's just something in poor taste about not making this open to everyone. And there's an implicit camaraderie and good will that developer

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Aaron Bedra
I would pay $20 per project for this easily. You did some great work (from the looks of it anyways) and you should get the financial reward from it. This isn't a charity, it's a service, and I would treat it as such. Keep up the awesome! -- Cheers, Aaron Bedra -- Clojure/core

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Aaron Bedra
Also, when I mean per project, I mean that in the sense that I am working with different customers who would find it valuable and pay for the access for them :) -- Cheers, Aaron Bedra -- Clojure/core http://clojure.com On 04/19/2011 01:23 PM, Aaron Bedra wrote: I would pay $20 per project

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Chas Emerick
Duly noted Aaron, and thanks. :-) - Chas On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Aaron Bedra wrote: I would pay $20 per project for this easily. You did some great work (from the looks of it anyways) and you should get the financial reward from it. This isn't a charity, it's a service, and I would

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread rob levy
I think there might be something I don't get about the hand-curated aspect. It would be great if it could be crowd sourced, with the kinds of heterarchical guarantees of quality and expertise that have served services like StackOverflow and Wikipedia so well. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:26 PM,

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Brenton
Great work Chas! I can't wait to try it out (and pay for it). On Apr 19, 9:19 am, Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com wrote: Today, I’m opening up a “preview” site for Clojure Atlas [1], a new side project of mine that I’m particularly excited about. Clojure Atlas is an experiment in

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Chas Emerick
On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:10 PM, rob levy wrote: This seems great. The $20 bothers me, not because I don't want to pay it, I would gladly donate this meager amount for such a useful resource. There's just something in poor taste about not making this open to everyone. And there's an

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Ulises
I just clicked on Try it and only got to a short blurb and a subscribe form. Is this the right behaviour? U -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Chas Emerick
On Apr 19, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Paul deGrandis wrote: This is a great piece visualization for Clojure and very much how I think about the language as I'm working with it (based on the pictures and descriptions). This is a nice niche piece of documentation for the community, power users, and

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread rob levy
Again, it's not that *I* wouldn't pay, it just seems unfortunate that most people won't get to use it. Whether right or misguided, there is a culture of free as in free beer on the net, that will result in most not giving it a chance. A separate but related issue is the advantage of free as in

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Chas Emerick
On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Ulises wrote: I just clicked on Try it and only got to a short blurb and a subscribe form. Is this the right behaviour? Indeed. As I say nearby, the app isn't quite ready for public consumption yet. I put the site up now so as to garner some early feedback and

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Chas Emerick
Assuming people find this sort of presentation useful, I would very much like to see it used to model other libraries and such. One step at a time… Crowdsourcing is a good model for some things, but I don't think it's a panacea. I know I'd rather have original authors build the ontologies

immutable quad tree

2011-04-19 Thread Timothy Pratley
How would I represent a quad tree (or any spatial index that allows me to find close neighbors quickly) in Clojure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread MiltondSilva
I think that these (http://clojure.org/funders) companies use clojure. On Apr 19, 3:38 pm, Damien Lepage damienlep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm on a mission: introducing Clojure in my company, which is a big consulting company like many others. I started talking about Clojure to my

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Alex Miller
We're using Clojure at Revelytix (7 people, several projects). Others not listed yet: Runa, BankSimple, Sonian, Woven. Some other answers here: http://www.quora.com/Whos-using-Clojure-in-production http://www.quora.com/Which-startups-are-using-Clojure On Apr 19, 9:38 am, Damien Lepage

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Paul deGrandis
I also know of Clojure being used by Algorithmics, Comcast, and Etsy. I'm not sure if they are all still deploying Clojure, but they were all using it at one time or another. Paul On Apr 19, 12:04 pm, Alex Miller a...@puredanger.com wrote: We're using Clojure at Revelytix (7 people, several

Clojure performance optimization

2011-04-19 Thread Michael Golovanov
Hi everyone I have the same task implementation on Java and Clojure. Task is very simple: User input integers to the console. Program need print inputed integers until user input is 42. Clojure implementation is 10 times slower, how to optimize Clojure implementation performance? Java impl:

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Fingerhut
I'm signed up for future notices. Think of it like a book about Clojure and some of its libraries on a web site, except it is more index than prose. People seem to give books a chance quite often, if they are informative enough. (Chas, feel free to use an analogy like that on the web site.

Re: Clojure performance optimization

2011-04-19 Thread Alan
How much is ten times a microsecond? There's no way the user could detect that kind of latency in a console app. If you're worried about startup time, then the code of the actual task isn't really relevant. On Apr 19, 12:08 am, Michael Golovanov mike.golova...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I

ANN: Lobos 0.7, a SQL database schema manipulation library

2011-04-19 Thread Nicolas Buduroi
Hi, I've released version 0.7 of Lobos today, enjoy it. I've posted a more comprehesive announcement on the new Lobos Google Group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lobos-library/mTL9HLiHOrA If you have questions, suggestions, comments or insults please post them there. For those who

Re: ANN: Lobos 0.7, a SQL database schema manipulation library

2011-04-19 Thread Matjaz Gregoric
I haven't heard about Lobos before, but it sure looks very interesting, thanks for sharing! Matjaz On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Nicolas Buduroi nbudu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I've released version 0.7 of Lobos today, enjoy it. I've posted a more comprehesive announcement on the new Lobos

Re: newbie question

2011-04-19 Thread Mark Nutter
Hmm, in your example you say you're code looks like (println hello) but in your description you say ((println hello)) Don't know if that's a just a typo or not, but if you actually did type in doubled parens like that it would give a null pointer exception because println returns nil, which

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Christopher Redinger
This is a great question! I've created a home to store the answer to this question. http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Clojure+Success+Stories I would like to seed it with people that are interested in telling their stories there. If you are or know one of the companies that have

ClojureQL and Oracle

2011-04-19 Thread Michael
As far as I can tell, ClojureQL does not directly support Oracle. Has anybody been able to get Clojure QL to work with Oracle? Are there plans to directly support it? Would be great to use this with Clojure inside the corporate ship. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: ClojureQL and Oracle

2011-04-19 Thread Ray Miller
On 19 April 2011 22:34, Michael michael-a...@db.com wrote: As far as I can tell, ClojureQL does not directly support Oracle. Has anybody been able to get Clojure QL to work with Oracle?  Are there plans to directly support it? Would be great to use this with Clojure inside the corporate ship.

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Devin Walters
Two more that haven't been mentioned: The Deadline: https://the-deadline.appspot.com/login Wusoup: http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/b4d137d963a53cb4?pli=1 On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Redinger redin...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great question! I've

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Sean Allen
Akamai was at the conj looking to hire clojure programmers so I would assume they are as well. On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Damien Lepage damienlep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm on a mission: introducing Clojure in my company, which is a big consulting company like many others.

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Fred Concklin
Just a thought, but you could use something like gitcred to give it away for free if people meet a certain threshold for involvement in the clojure ecosystem. This also might incentivize clojure development and allow you to offer it free to authors whose libraries are in your graph.

Re: Who's using Clojure?

2011-04-19 Thread Damien Lepage
Thanks Everyone for your input and especially to Christopher for creating the community page. I'm looking forward to read about your success stories there. 2011/4/19 Sean Allen s...@monkeysnatchbanana.com Akamai was at the conj looking to hire clojure programmers so I would assume they are as

Re: ANN: Clojure Atlas (preview!)

2011-04-19 Thread Meikel Brandmeyer
Hi, On 20 Apr., 02:31, Fred Concklin fredconck...@gmail.com wrote: Just a thought, but you could use something like gitcred to give it away for free if people meet a certain threshold for involvement in the clojure ecosystem. This also might incentivize clojure development and allow you to