Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-26 Thread Max Penet
+1 Accepting CAs by mail would be very welcome. The impact of this until now is something quite difficult to measure, since potential contributors maybe never voiced their interest and just quit when they get to know the effort (or cost) required. But it probably makes a difference when a

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-24 Thread Joshua Ballanco
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Michael Klishin wrote: Paul deGrandis: 4.) What are the limitations behind changing the CA process? Can the CA process be made digital (a scan of a signed CA, SSH shared key, OAuth credential confirmation) or potentially reformed to allow more

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-20 Thread Paul deGrandis
Stuart: Regarding making clojure.test/clojure.string/etc. contrib libraries, does it make sense to also move clojure.core to a contrib style library. The idea here would be that Clojure 1.6 is the bundling of all smaller Clojure lib/contrib subsets, whose version number is always in sync

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread kovas boguta
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Paul deGrandis paul.degran...@gmail.com wrote: 1.) Clojure.org should have a better host of documentation, especially for newcomers. The only things required for someone to create

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Stuart Halloway
3.) Much like an Emergency Room, there should be a a fast-track to getting smaller patches approved and merged. This is actually not a problem consistent across all areas of the language - some contrib libraries and ClojureScript in particular seem to be getting this *just right*. Is

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Michael Klishin
Andy Fingerhut: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Paul deGrandis paul.de...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: 1.) Clojure.org should have a better host of documentation, especially for newcomers. We saw from the Clojure Survey, as well as threads here on the mailing list, that

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Stuart Halloway
Currently I advice Clojure newcomers to not use clojure.org for anything, it is hopelessly outdated, reference-oriented and will only confuse them more. Unsurprisingly, this does not encourage newcomers as they think that many other things are hopelessly broken and outdated in this

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Andy Fingerhut
On Sep 19, 2012, at 12:11 AM, kovas boguta wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Paul deGrandis paul.degran...@gmail.com wrote: 1.) Clojure.org should have a better host of documentation, especially for

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Paul deGrandis
Andy - you're the perfect model of someone stepping up from the community and making the situation better for everyone. I'm sure I speak for a large population when I say, Thank You. For sure, I'd love to see an updated ClojureDocs-like system, hooked up to the build process and integrated

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Michael Klishin
2012/9/19 Paul deGrandis paul.degran...@gmail.com For sure, I'd love to see an updated ClojureDocs-like system, hooked up to the build process and integrated into clojure.org. (Including all of contrib and CLJS) This sounds like a good idea. Pairing that with ClojureWerkz-style pages for

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Michael Klishin
Paul deGrandis: 4.) What are the limitations behind changing the CA process? Can the CA process be made digital (a scan of a signed CA, SSH shared key, OAuth credential confirmation) or potentially reformed to allow more of the community to easily get involved, especially for smaller

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread Stuart Halloway
Stuart, can you elaborate a little what better triage looks like? What are the current issues you're facing and what would make the process better for you? The ER metaphor perhaps isn't the best :) What are other ways the community can help get changes pushed along better and integrated?

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread kovas boguta
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Andy Fingerhut andy.finger...@gmail.com wrote: Kovas, have you used ClojureDocs.org? If not, I recommend trying it out. In under 5 minutes, you should be able to figure out how to add an example. ClojureDocs is pretty nice. Incidentally, I'm not personally

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-19 Thread John Gabriele
On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:43:45 AM UTC-4, Michael Klishin wrote: 2012/9/19 Paul deGrandis paul.de...@gmail.com javascript: My concern with growing the documentation on the dev.clojure is that it takes a CA to contribute. I think we'd be better served as a community to open up

Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-18 Thread Paul deGrandis
Clojure Conj is nearly upon us. Last year there was a very positive meeting to discuss and help improve the contribution process. This year I thought it might be helpful to get some ideas on the table and refined by the community before the Conj. This has also been a common topic in #clojure.

Re: Evolving the Clojure contribution process and goals

2012-09-18 Thread Andy Fingerhut
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Paul deGrandis paul.degran...@gmail.comwrote: 1.) Clojure.org should have a better host of documentation, especially for newcomers. We saw from the Clojure Survey, as well as threads here on the mailing list, that documentation is still something on which we