I'd just like to say that I'm very impressed that this conversation is
happening. It shows a great level of awareness within the community and
makes me really optimistic about clojure as a inclusive language for the
future.
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:59:08 PM UTC-4, Mars0i wrote:
Jony,
It is being introduced into what was the intro to OO course.
cheers,
Bruce
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Jony Hudson jonyepsi...@gmail.com wrote:
If this is the unofficial survey post of academics using Clojure then I'd
better add myself to the list :-)
@Bruce do you know what
Dear Clojurians,
Inclusion of such questions on the survey would be another opportunity
for Clojure to be more than just not unwelcoming to atypical folks and
allow us to purposefully invite more people to this relative paradise we
inhabit.
I would simply not fill the survey. Because what
Asking questions about race and/or gender can be a very sensitive issue and a
lot of people would refuse to complete those sections, or may even refuse to
complete the survey at all if such questions were included - for a variety of
very valid reasons.
Sean
On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:23 PM, Zack
I would rather not say is a common and valid response in these scenarios.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Sean Corfield s...@corfield.org wrote:
Asking questions about race and/or gender can be a very sensitive issue and a
lot of people would refuse to complete those sections, or may even
On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Ashton Kemerling ashtonkemerl...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would rather not say is a common and valid response in these scenarios.
Yes, although that doesn't address that there are people who will not complete
a survey that even asks such questions (on a philosophical
I don't really get it. I don't see a legitimate reason why anyone would
refuse to participate in the survey because it included demographic
questions. The survey is anonymous. The combination of questions is not
such that it would be at all plausible that anyone could be identified by
their
I'm curious if there's any empirical evidence that significant numbers of
people will do that.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Mars0i marsh...@logical.net wrote:
I don't really get it. I don't see a legitimate reason why anyone would
refuse to participate in the survey because it included
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Ashton Kemerling ashtonkemerl...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm curious if there's any empirical evidence that significant numbers of
people will do that.
Suppose I have provided reliable data that shows only 0.1% would refuse to
answer such a Survey. A programming
I'm replying to Ashton and Mars0i off-list - and I'm happy to continue
discussing the issue off-list, with anyone who wants to, but I think it's
getting off-topic and close to inappropriate for this (technical) list.
And, for what it's worth, Atamert, I'm on your side on this.
Sean
On Oct 15,
I wasn't prepared to make moral statements about the survey, I'm just
interested in what helps the community the most. If such questions would
exclude people from the survey and/or the community then obviously that seems
problematic, although I'm curious (but not doubtful) as to why that would
I also just realized that I'm accidentally continuing this conversation despite
Sean's best efforts. Please disregard my last message.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Ashton Kemerling
ashtonkemerl...@gmail.com wrote:
I wasn't prepared to make moral statements about the survey, I'm just
After reading Sean's thoughtful off-list remarks, I think it's worth
commenting on my previous remarks. I don't think it matters whether I
understand people's reasons. People may have their own personal reasons
for not wanting to answer demographic questions, and I accept that, don't
object
On 13 October 2014 22:05, Alex Miller a...@puredanger.com wrote:
I do not need a poll to see that Clojure developers are predominantly white
men, although that's also true of most programming languages and a
consequence of larger pervasive issues in the industry. However, I think the
Clojure
Great points from everyone about the lack of diversity in the Clojure world
and the need to track improvement on that. I like the idea of finding a
tangible thing that we can measure. Collecting demographic information in
the annual survey is an interesting idea, and I think we should take it
ClojureBridge and conj grants are excellent ways to encourage all types of
folks to join Clojure and I'm stoked that these programs have emerged from
the community. These are Good Things and should be continued and improved
upon wherever possible. I'd personally like to know how much good these
Next year, I would appreciate questions that measure the demographics of
Clojure users be included. Out of the hundreds of people I've heard and
seen talking about using Clojure, the vast majority of them have been white
men. I've thought about it for a few days now and I can only think of
I'd be happy to include these for consideration next year. I think on the
dev env we have removed some like this because they were not well
represented in the results. The landscape for dev envs changes
significantly year to year.
On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:32:53 PM UTC-5, Mars0i wrote:
Hey Zack,
I don't know that we will include demographic questions in this survey in
the future, something to think about.
I do not need a poll to see that Clojure developers are predominantly white
men, although that's also true of most programming languages and a
consequence of larger
On Monday, October 13, 2014 1:50:13 PM UTC-5, Zack Maril wrote:
Next year, I would appreciate questions that measure the demographics of
Clojure users be included. Out of the hundreds of people I've heard and
seen talking about using Clojure, the vast majority of them have been white
men.
It would've been nice to have back-stats to tell if efforts like Clojure bridge
are having a statistical impact on the communities makeup.
That being said, I'm sure the clojure bridge folk have their own internal
metrics to guide their actions and measure outcomes, but it would've been nice
I also know that Birkbeck College University of London is going to be
teaching Clojure this year.
On Oct 10, 2014 12:01 AM, Lee Spector lspec...@hampshire.edu wrote:
FWIW I'm another person using Clojure mostly for academic research. And
for computer science education, e.g. I'm currently
I'd be interested in a site that lists examples of academic projects in
Clojure. (I know of a few Clojure projects in areas of interest to me.)
But only a little bit interested--not enough for me to create such a site.
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If this is the unofficial survey post of academics using Clojure then I'd
better add myself to the list :-)
@Bruce do you know what course they're going to be teaching Clojure on at
Birkbeck?
Jony
On Friday, 10 October 2014 08:08:28 UTC+1, Bruce Durling wrote:
I also know that Birkbeck
FWIW I'm another person using Clojure mostly for academic research. And for
computer science education, e.g. I'm currently teaching a Clojure-based AI
course. I'd be curious to know how many others of us are out there. And BTW I
think that attention to users in these categories could help to
Thanks for the survey!
I have a couple of suggestions/questions:
For domains, there are no categories for scientific or other research
applications. For example, I mainly use Clojure for writing agent-based
models for academic research. Would a set of categories in this area be
usedful?
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