Re: CLI launcher (was: Superficial barriers to entry)

2008-12-19 Thread Tom Emerson
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Phil Hagelberg technoma...@gmail.com wrote: This was one of the most disorienting things I encountered when starting with clojure. I'm used to codebases providing a bin/ directory or at least a shell script to start from. It wouldn't be so bad if the java CLI

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Jan Rychter
Mibu mibu.cloj...@gmail.com writes: I recommended clojure to a dozen friends or so and after a while none of them stuck with it. I know clojure being a lisp and being at the current development stage is not for everyone, but after I probed why people gave up with it I saw the barriers to

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread janus
Mibu, Thanks for your post because it captures what I am passing through. I have not done FP before and I am not even a great programmer, and with FP comes a sea of concepts and abstracts I have not heard before. These concepts and abstracts led me to conclude that FP is not made for mere

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Jesse Aldridge
Regarding the editor part, Scite could be a good option, especially for beginners. It's a whole hell of a lot simpler than emacs and vim. All you really have to do by way of configuration is go to Options - Open User Options File and paste in the following lines: ---

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread janus
Mibu On Dec 18, 1:22 pm, Mibu mibu.cloj...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 18, 2:37 pm, janus emekami...@gmail.com wrote: I think I need a mentor! Come to the IRC channel (#clojure on irc.freenode.net). The people there are friendly, helpful, and surprisingly patient. Thanks for your

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Mike Perham
I would like to see more practical screencasts. RH's Clojure talks are interesting but only at a high level. I'd like to see a screencast on Emacs/SLIME because I have no idea what the hell it is or what it offers over a basic screencast. Likewise, doing screencasts on macros, concurrency

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-18 Thread Mark Engelberg
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Jan Rychter j...@rychter.com wrote: I don't buy it. When you start using Python, nobody handholds you so that you can pick an editor. You just use whatever you have. So what's the deal here? At least on Windows, Python comes with IDLE, which is surprisingly

Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-17 Thread Mibu
I recommended clojure to a dozen friends or so and after a while none of them stuck with it. I know clojure being a lisp and being at the current development stage is not for everyone, but after I probed why people gave up with it I saw the barriers to entry were largely superficial and can be

Re: Superficial barriers to entry

2008-12-17 Thread falcon
Good post! I have been going through the same problems myself. It looks like enclojure is going to have a Netbeans 6.5 release very soon (still alpha though). I've also tried to figure out the best way to learn Clojure. After flailing about a bit, last night I printed out all the documents on