Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-16 Thread Softaddicts
Being filed by the NSA ? Oups, too late :) Luc P. > > Seriously? Your problem is that a contributor has to state that they > have added something? Why are you worried about this? > > Musical Notation writes: > > >> Each Contributor must identify itself as the originator of its > >> Contribut

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-16 Thread Phillip Lord
Seriously? Your problem is that a contributor has to state that they have added something? Why are you worried about this? Musical Notation writes: >> Each Contributor must identify itself as the originator of its Contribution, >> if any, in a manner that reasonably allows subsequent Recipients

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-14 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Musical Notation wrote: >> Each Contributor must identify itself as the originator of its Contribution, >> if any, in a manner that reasonably allows subsequent Recipients to identify >> the originator of the Contribution. > That's my problem. People are, of cours

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-14 Thread Musical Notation
> Each Contributor must identify itself as the originator of its Contribution, > if any, in a manner that reasonably allows subsequent Recipients to identify > the originator of the Contribution. That's my problem. On Sep 12, 2013, at 19:18, phillip.l...@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) wrote: >

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-12 Thread Phillip Lord
This is an interesting thread. I think, though, it repeats what is a misconception about GPL -- that you cannot produce GPL code using Clojure. This isn't true, as far as I can see -- you can write GPL code using any language, because it doesn't usage restrictions in GPL do not percolate through a

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Christopher Allen
I agree with Corfield and approaching things that seem wrong from a spirit of curiosity, rather than defaulting to criticism is a better way to improve understanding. You miss wonderful opportunities to learn when you approach things like that. On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:54:36 AM UTC-7

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Softaddicts
Considering that Rich himself chose the license more than 5 years ago, as you can see on github looking at files under the 1.0 tag (not counting pre 1.0 releases) and that you did not get him to lay down on a couch nearby while taking notes, I think that your assumptions about his spirit are quite

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Sean Corfield
Perhaps a more productive way to approach this issue would have been to ask if the group could point you to a discussion of why Clojure is under the EPL instead of starting from a point of criticism, and challenging the care with which the license was selected? Searching the archives would have tu

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Alex Miller
There are no plans to change the license. On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:41:04 AM UTC-5, Kalinni Gorzkis wrote: > > I think that Clojure should switch to a better license with similar spirit > like Apache 2.0, BSD, or MIT. > While the EPL doesn't have the evil "copyleft" requirement of GPL,

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Phillip Lord
The GPL incompatibility comes from the choice of law clauses I think. It is worth mentioning though, that you can combine GPL code and Clojure, since GPL has an exception for a "standard interface" of a programming language. You can write GPL code in most languages, and this does not require that

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Zack Maril
> It may have been chosen uncarefully. Other permissive licenses better fulfill Rich Hickey's spirit. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/clojure/TuojEIsu1G4 Rich Hickey choose the license himself. While you may disagree whether he made the right choice, it is highly unlikely that Rich did so

Re: The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Laurent PETIT
AFAICT it has been chosen carefully, but you are of course free to think otherwise 2013/9/11 Kalinni Gorzkis : > I think that Clojure should switch to a better license with similar spirit > like Apache 2.0, BSD, or MIT. > While the EPL doesn't have the evil "copyleft" requirement of GPL, and > t

The Eclipse Public License is not a good license

2013-09-11 Thread Kalinni Gorzkis
I think that Clojure should switch to a better license with similar spirit like Apache 2.0, BSD, or MIT. While the EPL doesn't have the evil "copyleft" requirement of GPL, and therefore allows and encourages commercial uses of the code, it has a requirement that makes it incompatible with the GP