Re: Two Senior Clojure developers based in Moscow looking for the interesting challenges and possibility for remote work

what happened after they, "walked into a bar"? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

Re: Port graphs: What would Rich Hickey do?

€0.02 i like option #3, i think it would be possibly nice for edges to be named based on the ports they connect. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new

Re: State & GUIs

random tangential food for thought: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/elm-discuss/Discussion$20on$20saying$20farewell$20to$20FRP$20|sort:relevance/elm-discuss/6U74_aNXC04/UY8dIIh-CQAJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post

was Re: ANN: Orchestra, complete instrumentation for clojure.spec

I am writing to ignorantly sincerely ask how spec + Orchestra compares to other statically typed out of the box JVM languages. What are the succint wins over not Scala shudder but eg Kotlin Ceylon, heck Frege, et. al.? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: complex made simple?

we need the TRIZ of software :-/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe

Re: Multi-OS Engine | Intel(R) Software

Whatever happened to Defrac, anyway? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

RE: Frustrations so far

Unfortunately, dynamically typed most often means what you are experiencing, as far as I know. Python, JavaScript, Scheme, Lua, etc. all have something like NPE that can happen at any random time, it feels like, no? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Having trouble doing what I want using macros, is there a better way?

My $0.02 is only resort to macros when all else has failed. Can just higher order functions and composition and injection get you closer to what you want? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: I knew that primitives were better, but this is ridiculous

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Nicola Mometto wrote: > Fair enough, but in this case types wouldn't really have helped: the author > did use `Double` type hints, mistakenly assuming that would make its code use > primitive types, which it does not since `Double` is boxed

Re: I knew that primitives were better, but this is ridiculous

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Nicola Mometto wrote: > Static types wouln't have helped at all in this case. Types are about > correctness, not performances. This comment was needless Here I thought maybe knowing when something was or was not something could have been

Re: I knew that primitives were better, but this is ridiculous

y'know, if only there were something, i dunno, something static that could you know have some, i dunno, 'types' that would help annotate things such that at maybe compile time, we'd know if the things we're handling are lazy or boxed or whatever-else or not. -- You received this message

Re: Addressing Matthias Felleisen's concerns?

(Did he mention Wadler? Probably. http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2538) I have it from friends who have used TR "in anger" that it is not really a win. My own experience with other things, e.g. the typed stuff in the lands of JavaScript and TypedLua, is in line with that, unfortunately.

Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms

> Sorry, never heard of horses for courses. Does it mean sth like different > strokes for different folks? yessir. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from

Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms

Horses for courses. Ask all the game people who use Lua big time. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient

Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms

RC & GC might complement. Don't throw out RC. Also, there are different kinds of 'performance'. Horses for courses, you know. https://www.google.com/search?q=bacon+gc+reference+counting+equation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To

Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms

> The main motivation would be performance gains. blah? so many impedance mismatches and layers of indirection that i don't think it will gain much? i mean, it would probably be better to spend time tuning gc parameters or something. just a rant / guess. e.g. robovm is for some use cases

Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms

things like robovm are another possible approach. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post.

Re: Memory Locality - Maps vs. Vectors vs. Transient Maps & Vectors

You can only tell by benchmarking. And even then it can change when you move to different hardware. You can debate about big O and constant factors and numa and all that jazz till you are blue in the face. There are 3 kinds of people in the world: 1) those who think we should stick with arrays

my new favorite s-expr video (seriously)

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Re: Clojure as first language

one word: redstone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this

Re: New Matrix Multiplication benchmarks - Neanderthal up to 60 times faster than core.matrix with Vectorz

Awesome would be a way for Cojure to generate C (perhaps with e.g. Boehm–Demers–Weiser GC to get it kicked off) and JNI bindings all automagically. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: ANN replikativ 0.1.0 - strong eventual consistent P2P replication for clj and cljs

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/search/node/crdt nice to see powerful theory being made more practically available to us masses. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note

Re: Ultralight Components

re: mixins, traits, etc. those terms have all been used in both research & shipped languages. Please see e.g. how Scala evolved with those terms. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Data visualization workshops post-mortem

Wow, thank you for sharing the info! Cool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

Re: If a Java function seems to never return, how do I test?

flush twice, oracle is far far away? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

mbrace style integration?

hi, ignorant question from me: F#/dotnet has 'mbrace' which lets you, apparently, *super* easily spawn things off to a cluster (cloud based). Instead of doing async { /*worker code*/ }; you do cloud { /*worker code*/ }; and all the management of getting it sent to the cloud, run, and back is

Re: Ted Dziuba: The S in REST

The thought that came to my mind when reading it was something like, "Hasn't anybody heard of MVCC?" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: How to do functional programming

> https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang cool. thanks for the pointer, i will have to find the time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: Writing Friendlier Clojure

blah. "Whenever you notice this pattern, you can probably turn to one of the threading macros instead." that would fly in the face of being more declarative; when we start to put in explicit ordering, instead of leaving it as just relationships, that can be bad. of course it can also be good.

Re: How to do functional programming

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amit+clojure+book http://www.htdp.org/ http://realmofracket.com/about.html http://landoflisp.com http://book.realworldhaskell.org/ http://www.powells.com/biblio/9781617290657 etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure"

Re: How to do functional programming

> The way I like to think about FP vs OO is that OO usually couples state with > identity and the code that operates on both, while FP defines a clear > boundary between data, state, and the functions that operate on the data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expression_problem > Designing a FP

Re: How to do functional programming

> https://tbaldridge.pivotshare.com/media/oop-lesson-1/28290 > I do not remember if the other tutorials (2,3 and 4) on OOP are free as > well… i did this one a while back as a refresher on my university stuff :-) https://www.coursera.org/course/progfun -- You received this message because you

Re: How to do functional programming

heck if you pay me U$D120 an hour, you can send me your code (as long as it isn't more than a single page at 10 pt font, with regular formatting ;-) and i'll tell ya how to do it more FPish (kidding.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Puzzlement over closing core.async channels asynchronously

> Thanks for the rapid response! You could say that you put this in there as > an exercise for the viewer; I know that in discussing it amongst ourselves, > we definitely sharpened our understanding of some of the concepts. I guess I'd see it as an argument for static checking around

Re: [ANN] sniper, emacs assistant for deleting dead code

Inspired by YAGNI, I made this code analyzer and emacs assistant for deleting dead code (and then used it to delete 10% of our codebase): oh, i thought the punch line was it was either going to delete you, or delete itself ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Advice on introducing a Java dev to Clojure

and I need to be 10 times more productive. =) you mean, after your 2 week ramp-up time, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: let vs. let*

My apologies (sincerely). Won't use that again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

Re: Writing REST api the right way

That would apply to common actions like typing and entering. Login being slower than that isn't likely to be as much of a bother as you likely only do it infrequently, maybe as much as once a day if you're paranoid and clear cookies nightly. Yeah, to me that is the sort of reasoning that

Re: Writing REST api the right way

350ms sounds fast enough for a low-frequency user interaction. In fact, once login is fast enough not to annoy your users, you don't *want* any more speed from it, as further speedup then only benefits blackhats trying to brute-force one of your users' accounts. So, it might be a feature, not

Re: let vs. let*

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re: functional == slow

at least, it often feels like that is the practical reality cf. clojure vs. java; f# vs. c#; haskell vs. c -- oh, wait a minute: http://www.cs.ru.nl/P.Achten/IFL2013/symposium_proceedings_IFL2013/ifl2013_submission_20.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Why does the following Clojure code take 10x the time the C# version does? How to improve the Clojure version?

Ditto F# vs. C#. One has to wonder when / where / if functional-pure-immutable approaches will ever under the covers get fast enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note

Re: separation of concerns w/o encapsulation

Once an engineer comes to grok FP, they tend to organize code around how data 'flows' between these pure functions to produce output data. The structure of how functions connect to form the structure of a functional computation has typically been informal. Until now see Flow Based

Re: Why does the following Clojure code take 10x the time the C# version does? How to improve the Clojure version?

I.e. your time is better spent optimizing a fn that's called 1k times per second and it's a little slow (for example, missing a type hint and has to do reflection or using boxed math) vs. a fn that's very slow but is only called once a minute. not all apps, and not all developers, end up with

Re: What does ^:internal mean?

knowing how to break down Clojure's syntax a bit helps, too. which means newbies are kinda screwed until they divine this. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8920137/clojure-caret-as-a-symbol -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to

Re: What does ^:internal mean?

even github gets it totally wrong, apparently? https://github.com/laurentpetit/ccw/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93q=%22^%3Ainternal%22type=Code because, you know, it isn't as if github is mostly all about hosting *code*. such that, you know, you'd think they'd have realized by now this kind of feature is

Re: What is a real example of the Observer pattern?

Observer is often used in Java iOS-Objective-C Android-Java. As with any eventing kind of thing it is a very double-edged tool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that

Re: how goeth the STM experiment?

Thanks for the thoughts! If anybody also has any other STM experience (e.g. Haskell?) to compare/contrast, that would be nifty to hear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note

how goeth the STM experiment?

hi, What do people think of STM after all these years? What pros vs. cons are there - has the community evolved the list of them? thanks for any thoughts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: I wrote a functional Lisp in Clojure. Come have a look

re: lux -- keen! also, check out http://shenlanguage.org/, it has a clojure target in the works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

Can you elaborate? Lift got it right or was a disaster? oh! good question, sorry :-) i believe it got it far more right than wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

Yes, Play has overtaken Lift, not because it is necessarily better, but because TypeSafe are pouring marketing dollars into it, as part of their drive to encourage Enterprise uptake of Scala. They have a vested interest in Play being very successful as it will drive more business for them.

Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum

vulnerabilities that would not exist using an integrated framework. fwiw, web + security always makes me think of http://liftweb.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note

Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim

Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme. It compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme to C to metal. another possibility is to stab oneself in the eye with a sharp stick. just sayin'. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim

I just would guess that anything other than an embedded JVM would be... poor r.o.i., to be polite. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim

all i'm trying to say is that the more layers of indirection you add, the more i won't give you any money on kickstarter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from

Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim

Both Nim and Pixie ultimately compile to C, and would have just as many layers of indirection. aand they are all insane for anything other than learning themselves at this point, i'd hazard to guess. but i'm a realist, who knows. i'd rather go for a real jvm e.g. azul's embedded stuff, or

Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim

My goodness, there are other things than Clojure in the universe. People have been making native software with real languages for ages. There's probably even some that are fpish or heck go get an actual lisp that's been used for ever (franz, allegro, ecl, gambit, chicken, clozure, tinyscheme,

Re: Zelkova: Elm-style FRP for Clojure and ClojureScript

From what I understand it's conceptually not ready for anything other than toy problems yet. Like Elm's restriction on static flow graphs. It's like programming without 1st class functions, you don't get very far. I am not an Elm user, but I am on the mailing list :-) and I see real things

Re: Zelkova: Elm-style FRP for Clojure and ClojureScript

i guess big projects at the bottom of http://elm-lang.org/Examples.elm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with

Re: [ANN] silc - a tiny entity database for clojure (games)

Actually, I would just use Long's. (MAX_VALUE = 9223372036854775807) https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+gangnam+overflow -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that

Re: If code is data why do we use text editors?

Code is data, and sometimes the best way to format that data for human readability is sufficiently ad-hoc that no autoindent/pprinter could do a fully general good job. +1 there should therefore be a region annotation that tells IDEs to leave it the hell alone when the user invokes reindent

Re: If code is data why do we use text editors?

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Re: CCW bug [SEVERE]

I remain wholly unconvinced that it's worth the hassle for a project this small. personally i find your points persuasive; i hate going through that stuff when i just wanted to finish a feature or whatever. still, losing your code would suck a lot, and not having history can be a frustrating

Re: multimethod, record, type, and protocol pitfalls?

Notice that he intentionally left inheritance out from that definition. there are more connotations of object oriented than there are quills on a porcupine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Critiques of my-flatten which uses CPS

http://clojure.org/reducers i dare say the When to use part should not be at the bottom but come right after the otherwise laughably specious yielding code that will get faster automatically as machines get more cores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: An Averaging function

here are some related resources (books, videos). imbibe all of these and it might help. http://realmofracket.com/ http://landoflisp.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1023970 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group,

Re: [Request for Feedback] Clojure Lab: IDE for Clojure in Clojure

why does it require java 1.7? this newish mavericks macbook only has 1.6 so i would guess you've just made it hard for a lot of people to try this out? :-( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [Request for Feedback] Clojure Lab: IDE for Clojure in Clojure

ugh, thanks. nice how i can just update it with app store. oh, wait?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with

Re: [Request for Feedback] Clojure Lab: IDE for Clojure in Clojure

I've been on Java 8 on my development Mac for ages. The only thing holding us back from going to Java 8 in production is New Relic don't yet support it... We upgraded our entire stack to Java 7 back in October and I thought we were late since Java 6 had been EOL'd for so long :) i'm on to 7

Re: Clojure: Clojure.contrib.sql: How do I update ALL the rows of a database table?

er, should the various pages be updated to say that they are all super deprecated now? e.g. things that turn up in google: http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Clojure+Contrib+Libraries On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Sean Corfield s...@corfield.org wrote: Clojure Contrib libraries are all

Re: deep thinking

This is code Clojure programmers depend on to work. Are you suggesting that it is easier to read this code than a few paragraphs of natural language? I must say I really find it puzzling that there is so much resistance to writing words. It's not that hard. if the code is so bad that it

Re: Concurrently updating two structures

update them one at a time. Obviously, I do not want to write something that updates the enemies and, after the enemies are fully updated, the bullets get updated. I need something that updates enemies while updating the bullets, at the same time. Maybe a code example would help? er... i

Re: Concurrently updating two structures

I am just using this as a learning exercise, I do not need to be lectured about how to write a game loop... I said obviously since that was my original request, I am only asking to learn clojure a little better. I could just drop into java and write a serial loop that does this really fast

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

I like FSMs, but they do not compose well. some have argued for generative grammars that generate the fsm, because it is generally easier to compose grammars, and then generate the final fsm. iiuc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

some sort of FSM. Perhaps concurrency could be modeled using FSMs, but I do not believe it is always a simple transition. http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~stevez/papers/LZ06b.pdf :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group,

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

The thing is that our industry is based on layers upon layers of abstractions, whether at the physical level (integrated circuits, interfaces, etc.) or at the software level: binary (1GL) abstracted into assembly (2GL), then C language (3GL), etc. Virtual machines is now another you maybe

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

cough cough erlang cough ahem -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

cough cough erlang cough ahem Care to elaborate? :-) Now his point is that GC acts a super GIL which effectively kills all the hard work done on the language and application design level. erlang's approach to gc / sharing data / multi process / smp is i think an interesting sweet spot. there

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

i am probably out of my depth here, i do not have extensive real-world experience with the various ways to approach parallelism and concurrency (to be distinguished of course), more run of the mill stuff. so if i sound like i'm missing your point or am clueless i ask for your patience :-) What's

Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs

that closely match or can be massaged to match or 'have sympathy' for the hardware realities. I think this can get lost when we stray too far. i wish this were somehow more modeled, composed, and controllable up in our ides and source code, rather than being esoteric tweaky options in the

Re: shenandoah

unreachable. The normal GC would then have a lot less to do, helping achieve shorter pauses. i have long wondered a similar wonder. :-) (i also naively day-dream one could get the C# IDisposing style for free with something like that.) the BitC folks have talked about all sorts of things along

Re: shenandoah

(related: asteroids in cal, by way of haskell. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ns999/cal.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please

Re: shenandoah

bazillion pure functions. I was wondering, would a GC like this one(or Azul's) make a significant impact so that I, or others, could make games in a more pure fashion? I WANT MY EFFIN PURITY! i'd rather have linear types or something like that, than some gc solution. :-) i mean, if i'm

Re: shenandoah

pure way or the mutate objects in place way? I can get great performance with clojure, no doubt about it, by violating the shat out of functional programming. I can not get great performance with the beautiful, pure, composable, clojure that I desire! (personally i think this is a great

Re: is PG's imperative outside-in advice any good?

if a programming language doesn't have something like 'where', then i am sad. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4362328/haskell-where-vs-let -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [ANN] 美味しいClojure

an olide: http://www.starling-software.com/en/tsac.html. i went once when in town years back. it was fun. wish it were still going on. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com

Re: possible side-effect/problem in http://clojure.org/concurrent_programming

But only one task was active at a time, although Executors was configured with 4 threads. It occurred to me that map itself is lazy and it is realized in doseq one at a time. A possible fix is to use for instead of map to generate tasks almost makes me wish there were types (er, sorry,

Re: In what OS do you code?

Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in the Clojure community. er, wow. that's a bit of a leap, isn't it? -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Why the CLR languages fail?

Be that as it may: if you work in a MS-centric company, shifting to JVM clojure is iffy at best. OTOH, convincing people who've never used anything except C# that there are alternatives worth considering is quite an uphill battle. At least one friend over the years has gotten fed up at my

Re: Why aim for repeatability of specification / generative testing?

i always thought it was basically solely for letting you re-run the test that just/previously failed, nothing more weird or silly than that. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: Why aim for repeatability of specification / generative testing?

yes, a constant is weird. whenever i've implemented my own variant of this, i always use a seed from the clock or whatever, and then spit out the seed in test/assertion failure messages so people can paste it back in to reproduce. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: I don't feel the absence of a debugger, because I've learnt enough that I don't ever need a debugger.

for a long time haskell did not have a debugger. that sucked, imho. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient

Re: Design/structure for a game loop in clojure

potential food for thought for you: http://s3.amazonaws.com/ns999/asteroids.html http://prog21.dadgum.com/23.html http://world.cs.brown.edu/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: blank? implementation

Quite a difference I have to say. well, you can still be happy that first, get it right. then, make it fast is still easier in clojure than in java! (of course if, like me, you are a static typing bigot, there's more to be said on that :-) -- You received this message because you are

Re: STM - a request for war stories

the design of Apache CouchDB's Multi-Version Concurrency Model. because haskell got it from apache, i'm sure ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new

re: tuple spaces (was Re: STM - a request for war stories)

Another concurrency model I've used a great deal is the tuplespace model, specifically javaspaces. This is an often forgotten model that has a lot to offer with a high expressiveness to complexity ratio. otish: in the back of my mind i seem to recall hearing that tuplespaces sounded nifty

Re: Meaning of =

one of the things which seem to be true but nowhere completely successfully fleshed out is the fact that equality is very subjective. there can and should be many different ways to pose and answer the question a == b. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Meaning of =

Equality is never subjective. There maybe different equality relations defined. In most cases (integer) one os well served by intuition. In other cases (clojure's =) the definition may not be intuitive, but never subjective. ok sheesh then ^subjective^context dependent -- You received this

Re: Where did the idea of metadata come from?

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Paul deGrandis paul.degran...@gmail.com wrote: It's difficult to spot the best time to apply metadata, since we've become accustomed to working in languages without support for it. not exactly, it is just that most java people put all their metadata in extra xml

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