Re: [ANN] Re-launching Expectations!

2016-10-08 Thread Bozhidar Batsov 
Great news!

Looking forward to adding the support for the clojure.test protocol.
CIDER's users will really appreciate it!

On 6 October 2016 at 21:36, Colin Yates  wrote:

> Thanks Sean.
>
> On 6 October 2016 at 19:03, Sean Corfield  wrote:
> >> is there a 'benefits over clojure.test' blog anywhere?
> >
> > Not that I’m aware of. I added a GH issue against the website content
> for that. Jay wrote a series of blog posts about Expectations back in 2011
> that included the justification for it:
> >
> > http://blog.jayfields.com/2011/11/clojure-expectations-introduction.html
> >
> >> I wonder if it is the benefits are more subjective
> >
> > Yes, I find the BDD-style of Expectations much more to my liking than
> the assertive style of clojure.test – the latter feels very imperative to
> me. So there’s definitely an element of stylistic preference at play here.
> >
> >> I personally like the names I give to tests etc.
> >
> > Jay has an opinion on that – see http://blog.jayfields.com/
> 2011/11/clojure-expectations-unit-testing-wrap.html
> >
> > I’m split on the topic. There’s a practical reason for giving tests
> names, and that relates to tooling and, in particular, what CIDER and other
> tools expect (and in fact that is what has triggered this whole
> re-launching: in order to better support tooling at large, Expectations
> needs to provide a way to give predictable names to tests so that tooling
> can run and re-run individual tests).
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
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Re: [ANN] Re-launching Expectations!

2016-10-06 Thread Colin Yates 
Thanks Sean.

On 6 October 2016 at 19:03, Sean Corfield  wrote:
>> is there a 'benefits over clojure.test' blog anywhere?
>
> Not that I’m aware of. I added a GH issue against the website content for 
> that. Jay wrote a series of blog posts about Expectations back in 2011 that 
> included the justification for it:
>
> http://blog.jayfields.com/2011/11/clojure-expectations-introduction.html
>
>> I wonder if it is the benefits are more subjective
>
> Yes, I find the BDD-style of Expectations much more to my liking than the 
> assertive style of clojure.test – the latter feels very imperative to me. So 
> there’s definitely an element of stylistic preference at play here.
>
>> I personally like the names I give to tests etc.
>
> Jay has an opinion on that – see 
> http://blog.jayfields.com/2011/11/clojure-expectations-unit-testing-wrap.html
>
> I’m split on the topic. There’s a practical reason for giving tests names, 
> and that relates to tooling and, in particular, what CIDER and other tools 
> expect (and in fact that is what has triggered this whole re-launching: in 
> order to better support tooling at large, Expectations needs to provide a way 
> to give predictable names to tests so that tooling can run and re-run 
> individual tests).
>
> Sean
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Re-launching Expectations!

2016-10-06 Thread Sean Corfield 
> is there a 'benefits over clojure.test' blog anywhere?

Not that I’m aware of. I added a GH issue against the website content for that. 
Jay wrote a series of blog posts about Expectations back in 2011 that included 
the justification for it:

http://blog.jayfields.com/2011/11/clojure-expectations-introduction.html 

> I wonder if it is the benefits are more subjective

Yes, I find the BDD-style of Expectations much more to my liking than the 
assertive style of clojure.test – the latter feels very imperative to me. So 
there’s definitely an element of stylistic preference at play here.

> I personally like the names I give to tests etc.

Jay has an opinion on that – see 
http://blog.jayfields.com/2011/11/clojure-expectations-unit-testing-wrap.html

I’m split on the topic. There’s a practical reason for giving tests names, and 
that relates to tooling and, in particular, what CIDER and other tools expect 
(and in fact that is what has triggered this whole re-launching: in order to 
better support tooling at large, Expectations needs to provide a way to give 
predictable names to tests so that tooling can run and re-run individual tests).

Sean



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Re: [ANN] Re-launching Expectations!

2016-10-06 Thread Colin Yates 
Thanks Sean. I did have a look at that a whilst ago (when I was
considering migrating to core clojure.test from midge). I think I 'get
it', but is there a 'benefits over clojure.test' blog anywhere?

I wonder if it is the benefits are more subjective - I personally like
the names I give to tests etc.

Anyways, thanks for picking this up.

On 6 October 2016 at 18:05, Sean Corfield  wrote:
> Expectations – a minimalist’s unit testing framework – is being re-launched!
>
>
>
> adding signal, removing noise
>
>
>
> Jay Fields’ awesome unit testing library and all of the associated tooling
> has now been pulled together under a single GitHub organization:
>
>
>
> https://github.com/clojure-expectations
>
>
>
> The documentation is available here:
>
>
>
> https://clojure-expectations.github.io
>
>
>
> (for now, this is just a copy of Jay’s documentation site for Expectations
> but the plan is to expand it to include all of the tooling as well)
>
>
>
> If you use Expectations and any of its current tooling, we’d like to have
> your input – please feel free to open GitHub issues with suggestions!
>
>
>
> If you don’t use Expectations but you like BDD-style terminology, perhaps
> it’s time to take a look?
>
>
>
> Why has this happened?
>
>
>
> Expectations doesn’t currently support the clojure.test “protocol” that
> CIDER (and other tooling) expects, but making that happen is going to
> involve quite a few changes (or additions) to how Expectations works, as
> well as a ripple effect through the tooling.
>
>
>
> The current maintainers did not necessarily have the time to invest in such
> changes, but were very open to pooling their work and making it easier for
> others to get involved. World Singles is a heavy user of Expectations so I
> have a vested interest in helping to maintain the Expectations ecosystem
> going forward, especially after adding support for Boot.
>
>
>
> I’d like to thank Jay Fields for creating Expectations – it has made me love
> testing all over again! – and also thanks to Gareth Jones and Jake McCrary
> for their Leiningen and Emacs tooling.
>
>
>
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN -- (970) FOR-SEAN
>
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
>
>
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
>
> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
>
>
>
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[ANN] Re-launching Expectations!

2016-10-06 Thread Sean Corfield 
Expectations – a minimalist’s unit testing framework – is being re-launched!

 

adding signal, removing noise

 

Jay Fields’ awesome unit testing library and all of the associated tooling has 
now been pulled together under a single GitHub organization:

 

https://github.com/clojure-expectations

 

The documentation is available here:

 

https://clojure-expectations.github.io

 

(for now, this is just a copy of Jay’s documentation site for Expectations but 
the plan is to expand it to include all of the tooling as well)

 

If you use Expectations and any of its current tooling, we’d like to have your 
input – please feel free to open GitHub issues with suggestions!

 

If you don’t use Expectations but you like BDD-style terminology, perhaps it’s 
time to take a look?

 

Why has this happened?

 

Expectations doesn’t currently support the clojure.test “protocol” that CIDER 
(and other tooling) expects, but making that happen is going to involve quite a 
few changes (or additions) to how Expectations works, as well as a ripple 
effect through the tooling.

 

The current maintainers did not necessarily have the time to invest in such 
changes, but were very open to pooling their work and making it easier for 
others to get involved. World Singles is a heavy user of Expectations so I have 
a vested interest in helping to maintain the Expectations ecosystem going 
forward, especially after adding support for Boot.

 

I’d like to thank Jay Fields for creating Expectations – it has made me love 
testing all over again! – and also thanks to Gareth Jones and Jake McCrary for 
their Leiningen and Emacs tooling.

 

Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN -- (970) FOR-SEAN

An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

 

"Perfection is the enemy of the good."

-- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)

 

 

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