Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
Are you almost ready to provide something a la React.js for JavaFX2 ? :-) 2014-05-04 15:50 GMT+02:00 Timothy Baldridge tbaldri...@gmail.com: I highly recommend taking a look again at JavaFX2. The latest version (released as part of Java 8 or as a separate jar with Java 7) has a very unified API and is a joy to work with. I've been hacking on a library that provides a data centric API to JavaFX2. The cool thing is that most of it is self writing. Since the API is so consistent, reflection can be used to discover how most of the components work. Here's an example of what the UI description layer looks like. https://github.com/halgari/com.tbaldridge.slide/blob/master/src/com/tbaldridge/slide.clj#L266 This library uses core.async to bind components to data. So the binding :text- (bindings/get-in a [:text]) will bind a control's text to whatever is in the atom a at the path [:text]. Likewise the :text- (bindings/assoc-in a [:text]) will keep the atom up to date with the contents of a text box. I haven't tested this on any platform but Mac, but I've seen tutorials of JavaFX2 running on Linux and Windows, so I assume it's all fully cross platform. Timothy On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Daniel Kersten dkers...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a massive fan of Qt and have done a lot of Qt/QML in C++ in the past, but lately when I've needed to do a GUI (and could use Clojure), I've been making it Web based and using ClojureScript with Om. Since jetty/http-kit run nicely as embedded servers, you could have your application run locally and launch a browser (rather than running it on a server) if you wanted, and if you have the ClojureScript talk to the Clojure server through sente, you _almost_ won't even notice its not all plain Clojure since communication looks more or less like a core.async channel. Might be a bit much to learn if you're new to Clojure, though. I haven't used swing or Qt in Clojure, so can't comment on them. On 4 May 2014 10:44, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-04 10:20 GMT+02:00 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: 2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. I see that there is also clj-swing. What would are the advantages of either compared to the other? -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
2014-05-04 15:50 GMT+02:00 Timothy Baldridge tbaldri...@gmail.com: I highly recommend taking a look again at JavaFX2. The latest version (released as part of Java 8 or as a separate jar with Java 7) has a very unified API and is a joy to work with. I've been hacking on a library that provides a data centric API to JavaFX2. The cool thing is that most of it is self writing. Since the API is so consistent, reflection can be used to discover how most of the components work. Here's an example of what the UI description layer looks like. https://github.com/halgari/com.tbaldridge.slide/blob/master/src/com/tbaldridge/slide.clj#L266 This library uses core.async to bind components to data. So the binding :text- (bindings/get-in a [:text]) will bind a control's text to whatever is in the atom a at the path [:text]. Likewise the :text- (bindings/assoc-in a [:text]) will keep the atom up to date with the contents of a text box. I haven't tested this on any platform but Mac, but I've seen tutorials of JavaFX2 running on Linux and Windows, so I assume it's all fully cross platform. As I understood it, you have to include the JavaFX jar yourself with it. At the moment I think I stay with seesaw. Looks very easy to use. When I am ‘proficient’ with making front-ends could re-evaluate. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Daniel Kersten dkers...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a massive fan of Qt and have done a lot of Qt/QML in C++ in the past, but lately when I've needed to do a GUI (and could use Clojure), I've been making it Web based and using ClojureScript with Om. Since jetty/http-kit run nicely as embedded servers, you could have your application run locally and launch a browser (rather than running it on a server) if you wanted, and if you have the ClojureScript talk to the Clojure server through sente, you _almost_ won't even notice its not all plain Clojure since communication looks more or less like a core.async channel. Might be a bit much to learn if you're new to Clojure, though. I haven't used swing or Qt in Clojure, so can't comment on them. On 4 May 2014 10:44, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-04 10:20 GMT+02:00 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: 2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. I see that there is also clj-swing. What would are the advantages of either compared to the other? -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
2014-05-04 17:32 GMT+02:00 Gary Verhaegen gary.verhae...@gmail.com: I'm no expert, but the arguments I have seen against Swing are almost always about the API, so they do not really apply to seesaw. The other arguments were about the non-native look, but I seem to remember that seesaw took care of that too. Well for the moment I stick to seesaw then. I tried hello-seesaw and that works really well. It went first wrong, but that was a stupid mistake of me in the project file. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
From Java 7 onwards, JavaFX is part of the runtime. I strongly recommend you take a look at JavaFX, the very regular and powerful API will allow you to build innovative UIs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
2014-05-05 9:56 GMT+02:00 Fabien Todescato fabien.todesc...@gmail.com: From Java 7 onwards, JavaFX is part of the runtime. I strongly recommend you take a look at JavaFX, the very regular and powerful API will allow you to build innovative UIs. I see you are right. Two problems: - Can I expect everyone that is going to use my application to have at least Java 7? - http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/installation_2-2/javafx-installation-linux.htmstates: Web Start applications and Web applications (plugin) features are currently not supported on the Linux platform. -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
What to use use for writing GUI's
I am mostly a back-end writer. I dabbled a little with Scala before going to Clojure. (And more on the back-end as on the front-end.) But there was a discussion (I do not remember if it was on a Java or Scala newsgroup) that Swing was not the right interface for writing GUI's. I settled for QTJambi, but I was told I should look at Apache Pivot. If I understand it correctly the ‘only’ way to do GUI in Clojure is with Swing through the seesaw library. Am I correct that this is the ‘only’ way? If so, there is no problem using Swing? Again, I do not have much experience with writing GUI's. But the example I saw with seesaw was inviting. -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Cheers, Colin On 4 May 2014 19:33, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: I am mostly a back-end writer. I dabbled a little with Scala before going to Clojure. (And more on the back-end as on the front-end.) But there was a discussion (I do not remember if it was on a Java or Scala newsgroup) that Swing was not the right interface for writing GUI's. I settled for QTJambi, but I was told I should look at Apache Pivot. If I understand it correctly the ‘only’ way to do GUI in Clojure is with Swing through the seesaw library. Am I correct that this is the ‘only’ way? If so, there is no problem using Swing? Again, I do not have much experience with writing GUI's. But the example I saw with seesaw was inviting. -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. On 4 May 2014 19:33, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: I am mostly a back-end writer. I dabbled a little with Scala before going to Clojure. (And more on the back-end as on the front-end.) But there was a discussion (I do not remember if it was on a Java or Scala newsgroup) that Swing was not the right interface for writing GUI's. I settled for QTJambi, but I was told I should look at Apache Pivot. If I understand it correctly the ‘only’ way to do GUI in Clojure is with Swing through the seesaw library. Am I correct that this is the ‘only’ way? If so, there is no problem using Swing? Again, I do not have much experience with writing GUI's. But the example I saw with seesaw was inviting. -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
2014-05-04 10:20 GMT+02:00 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: 2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. I see that there is also clj-swing. What would are the advantages of either compared to the other? -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
I'm a massive fan of Qt and have done a lot of Qt/QML in C++ in the past, but lately when I've needed to do a GUI (and could use Clojure), I've been making it Web based and using ClojureScript with Om. Since jetty/http-kit run nicely as embedded servers, you could have your application run locally and launch a browser (rather than running it on a server) if you wanted, and if you have the ClojureScript talk to the Clojure server through sente, you _almost_ won't even notice its not all plain Clojure since communication looks more or less like a core.async channel. Might be a bit much to learn if you're new to Clojure, though. I haven't used swing or Qt in Clojure, so can't comment on them. On 4 May 2014 10:44, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-04 10:20 GMT+02:00 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: 2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. I see that there is also clj-swing. What would are the advantages of either compared to the other? -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
I highly recommend taking a look again at JavaFX2. The latest version (released as part of Java 8 or as a separate jar with Java 7) has a very unified API and is a joy to work with. I've been hacking on a library that provides a data centric API to JavaFX2. The cool thing is that most of it is self writing. Since the API is so consistent, reflection can be used to discover how most of the components work. Here's an example of what the UI description layer looks like. https://github.com/halgari/com.tbaldridge.slide/blob/master/src/com/tbaldridge/slide.clj#L266 This library uses core.async to bind components to data. So the binding :text- (bindings/get-in a [:text]) will bind a control's text to whatever is in the atom a at the path [:text]. Likewise the :text- (bindings/assoc-in a [:text]) will keep the atom up to date with the contents of a text box. I haven't tested this on any platform but Mac, but I've seen tutorials of JavaFX2 running on Linux and Windows, so I assume it's all fully cross platform. Timothy On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Daniel Kersten dkers...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a massive fan of Qt and have done a lot of Qt/QML in C++ in the past, but lately when I've needed to do a GUI (and could use Clojure), I've been making it Web based and using ClojureScript with Om. Since jetty/http-kit run nicely as embedded servers, you could have your application run locally and launch a browser (rather than running it on a server) if you wanted, and if you have the ClojureScript talk to the Clojure server through sente, you _almost_ won't even notice its not all plain Clojure since communication looks more or less like a core.async channel. Might be a bit much to learn if you're new to Clojure, though. I haven't used swing or Qt in Clojure, so can't comment on them. On 4 May 2014 10:44, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-04 10:20 GMT+02:00 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: 2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. I see that there is also clj-swing. What would are the advantages of either compared to the other? -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: What to use use for writing GUI's
I'm no expert, but the arguments I have seen against Swing are almost always about the API, so they do not really apply to seesaw. The other arguments were about the non-native look, but I seem to remember that seesaw took care of that too. On Sunday, 4 May 2014, Timothy Baldridge tbaldri...@gmail.com wrote: I highly recommend taking a look again at JavaFX2. The latest version (released as part of Java 8 or as a separate jar with Java 7) has a very unified API and is a joy to work with. I've been hacking on a library that provides a data centric API to JavaFX2. The cool thing is that most of it is self writing. Since the API is so consistent, reflection can be used to discover how most of the components work. Here's an example of what the UI description layer looks like. https://github.com/halgari/com.tbaldridge.slide/blob/master/src/com/tbaldridge/slide.clj#L266 This library uses core.async to bind components to data. So the binding :text- (bindings/get-in a [:text]) will bind a control's text to whatever is in the atom a at the path [:text]. Likewise the :text- (bindings/assoc-in a [:text]) will keep the atom up to date with the contents of a text box. I haven't tested this on any platform but Mac, but I've seen tutorials of JavaFX2 running on Linux and Windows, so I assume it's all fully cross platform. Timothy On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Daniel Kersten dkers...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a massive fan of Qt and have done a lot of Qt/QML in C++ in the past, but lately when I've needed to do a GUI (and could use Clojure), I've been making it Web based and using ClojureScript with Om. Since jetty/http-kit run nicely as embedded servers, you could have your application run locally and launch a browser (rather than running it on a server) if you wanted, and if you have the ClojureScript talk to the Clojure server through sente, you _almost_ won't even notice its not all plain Clojure since communication looks more or less like a core.async channel. Might be a bit much to learn if you're new to Clojure, though. I haven't used swing or Qt in Clojure, so can't comment on them. On 4 May 2014 10:44, Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-04 10:20 GMT+02:00 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com: 2014-05-04 10:09 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming colin.mailingl...@gmail.com: There's really no only way to do anything in Clojure, since you can always drop down to Java interop. So anything that's available to Java is available to Clojure, too. Not all the options have a nice Seesaw-like wrapper over it of course, but they're generally still quite usable. I do a reasonable amount of Swing work without Seesaw, mostly because it takes a while to start up, but Seesaw has a lovely API if that's not such an issue for you. Swing is generally a fine option, if you look at IntelliJ you'll see it's possible to make it quite pretty and functional, although it's a lot of work to get to that stage. Other options are QTJambi or SWT - I don't know anything about Pivot and the demos didn't work for me either in Firefox or Safari but it looks like that might be an option too. JavaFX may also be an option, although I don't know much about it. Or you can go for more esoteric options like embedding Chromium in a native app wrapper and use ClojureScript, which is what LightTable and other projects do. It really depends on your requirements, but the above are all viable options. Well, I am a newbie with GUI, so best to start with seesaw if there is no real reason not to use Swing I think then. (I do not remember why Swing was discouraged.) I have to look into the start-up time. I did not know about that. By the way: as I understood it JavaFX is only an option if you only develop for Windows. I see that there is also clj-swing. What would are the advantages of either compared to the other? -- Cecil Westerhof -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.” (Robert Firth) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clojure@googlegroups.com'); Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
