Re: New meeting time + call for agenda items

2014-03-11 Thread Sandro red Mathys
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the most people. FYI, I

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Sandro red Mathys
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Steven Dake sd...@redhat.com wrote: If these are removed from a guest operating system, the guest won't be able to function with TripleO, Heat, or anyone that depends on cloud-init.

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 07:46:11PM -0700, Steven Dake wrote: I think what is needed is two things a) a general purpose guest image b) a tidy host image. We don't want to threaten our guest-image by making it non-general purpose. The host-image can be I think some key context may have been

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 02:49:14AM +, Collins, Robert (Converged Cloud) wrote: +1 on the overall message there, but let me also note that Ubuntu has a far smaller base image which still includes Python. Seems like there is likely plenty of fat elsewhere that can be pulled out if smaller is

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 02:49:14AM +, Collins, Robert (Converged Cloud) wrote: +1 on the overall message there, but let me also note that Ubuntu has a far smaller base image which still includes Python. Seems

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:41:42AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Since isn't the only driver for the kernel work you're doing either, I don't s/Since/Size/ -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project--mat...@fedoraproject.org ___ cloud mailing

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:56:50AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Since isn't the only driver for the kernel work you're doing either, I don't think. Another big advantage is that the modularized drivers will allow us to skip out-of-schedule updates for security updates in the driver package.

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread James Slagle
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 05:26:27PM -0700, Steven Dake wrote: On 03/10/2014 04:32 PM, Sandro red Mathys wrote: Just noticed that removing Python would obviously also mean no heat-cfntools. Do we want to accept that (if we go with remove-python at all)? Starting to wonder a bit how users are

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Steven Dake
On 03/11/2014 05:09 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 07:46:11PM -0700, Steven Dake wrote: I think what is needed is two things a) a general purpose guest image b) a tidy host image. We don't want to threaten our guest-image by making it non-general purpose. The host-image can

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 06:57:13AM -0700, Steven Dake wrote: After speaking with Steve Baker last night, we discussed transitioning off cloud-init as a possibility. What we are considering transitioning to is the os-*-* python tools. The general idea is these tools would replace cloud-init

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Steven Dake
On 03/11/2014 07:11 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 06:57:13AM -0700, Steven Dake wrote: After speaking with Steve Baker last night, we discussed transitioning off cloud-init as a possibility. What we are considering transitioning to is the os-*-* python tools. The general

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, James Slagle jsla...@redhat.com wrote: There are 2 image upgrade paths being pursued by TripleO. In both cases, the end goal is to have your instances running with a read-only root partition and your stateful data you need preserved mounted on a separate

Re: New meeting time + call for agenda items

2014-03-11 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 13:10 -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote: Hi all, OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few votes, though, so I hope this time will work for the most people. Given no

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread James Slagle
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 04:14:33PM +, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, James Slagle jsla...@redhat.com wrote: There are 2 image upgrade paths being pursued by TripleO. In both cases, the end goal is to have your instances running with a read-only root

Re: New meeting time + call for agenda items

2014-03-11 Thread Sandro red Mathys
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 5:17 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:10:58PM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote: OK, the votes are in and it looks like the least-bad time for meetings right now are 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. I think we were missing a few votes,

Reminder + Agenda for Next WG Meeting (new time) on 13 March 2014

2014-03-11 Thread Joe Brockmeier
Hi all, As promised, here's the agenda and info: Meeting time: 14:00 UTC To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto Or run: date -d '2014-03-13 14:00 UTC' Meeting channel: #fedora-meeting = Agenda = == Old Topics == * Status of Cantas

Re: Fedora Atomic and Docker Host Image [was Re: Docker Host Image: Requirements?]

2014-03-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM, James Slagle jsla...@redhat.com wrote: How is it incompatible with packaging? The read only root support that already exists in Fedora today is what would be used. In that /etc and /var are read-only. Now you're right, there is read-only root which makes