Re: NetworkManager and network services both enabled in Fedora Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Matt Micene wrote: I'd be in favor of pulling NetworkManager.  It still seems that network is the way for server class systems to handle networking It's not that simple, at least for Atomic, because the *exact same* tree in Fedora 22 can also be deployed

Re: NetworkManager and network services both enabled in Fedora Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Dusty Mabe
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 06:27:13PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Matt Micene wrote: I'd be in favor of pulling NetworkManager.? It still seems that network is the way for server class systems to handle networking It's not that simple, at least for

Re: Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Derek Carter
On 2015-03-19 15:41, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see what else needs to be done there. Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes. Send me the

Re: Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Derek Carter
On 2015-03-19 15:41, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see what else needs to be done there. Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes. Send me the

Re: Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 04:19:33PM -0600, Derek Carter wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see what else needs to be done there. Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes.

Testing of http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-20150309/Cloud-Images/x86_64/Images/

2015-03-19 Thread Kushal Das
Hi, I tested the images locally following the cloud tests. They passed successfully. But I failed to make them to boot on fed-cloud02. Before uploading the images I converted them by the following command. $ qemu-img amend -f qcow2 -o compat=0.10 Fedora-Cloud-Base-21-20150309.x86_64.qcow2 In

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread milanisko k
I vote for different life-time for different purpose, precisely as David suggests: scratch, test, RC, Final (Beta). But let's also don't forget about policy for testing the amis: how long to keep amis that failed testing in particular release stage. Ideally, we should also keep track of

Re: Fedora Cloud Docs

2015-03-19 Thread Kushal Das
On 18/03/15, Pete Travis wrote: Hey cloud team, I think we need some cloud docs. Fedora has a lot to offer in the cloud area, and I'm sure that those engaged in the space are excited that Fedora has what they are looking for. The uninitiated, on the other hand, are looking for what Fedora

Re: Fedora Cloud Docs

2015-03-19 Thread Kushal Das
On 19/03/15, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/19/2015 01:14 AM, Pete Travis wrote: So, as I'm working on some tooling for a new Fedora Docs site, I'd like to know what would get *you* into writing about Fedora Cloud. In the most direct sense, it's a question about markup and delivery, ie a

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/19/2015 12:11 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: If you have raw data, I'd be happy to explore it for you - email me off-list if you need an NDA or something like that. Any data we have should be shared with all or none. We don't have a Fedora NDA AFAIK. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier |

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/18/2015 06:38 PM, David Gay wrote: Greetings! We sort of ran out of time in today's Cloud WG meeting, but I did want to ask: What are your thoughts on AMI lifetimes? That is to say, how long should EC2 AMIs exist before they're deleted? A few points to consider: I feel like I

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread Ryan Brown
On 03/19/2015 08:54 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/18/2015 06:38 PM, David Gay wrote: Greetings! We sort of ran out of time in today's Cloud WG meeting, but I did want to ask: What are your thoughts on AMI lifetimes? That is to say, how long should EC2 AMIs exist before they're deleted? A

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread Ryan Brown
On 03/18/2015 06:38 PM, David Gay wrote: Greetings! We sort of ran out of time in today's Cloud WG meeting, but I did want to ask: What are your thoughts on AMI lifetimes? That is to say, how long should EC2 AMIs exist before they're deleted? A few points to consider: - AMIs only cost

Re: Fedora Cloud Docs

2015-03-19 Thread Kushal Das
On 19/03/15, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/19/2015 08:20 AM, Kushal Das wrote: 1. Syntax is almost like markdown. 2. It has more features targeted towards devels. 3. If we maintain in a public git repo, we can use a service like readthedocs.org to build and publish the docs, we can have

Re: Cloud SIG meeting minutes (2015-03-18)

2015-03-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/18/2015 06:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 06:04:22PM -0400, Jason Brooks wrote: * jzb help find scollier additional maintainer for dockerfiles On this item, I believe that the CentOS folks are interested in working together on Dockerfiles maintenance. Perhaps

Re: Testing of http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-20150309/Cloud-Images/x86_64/Images/

2015-03-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/19/2015 06:22 AM, Kushal Das wrote: I tested the images locally following the cloud tests. They passed successfully. But I failed to make them to boot on fed-cloud02. This is converting b/c images are actually qcow3 and OpenStack doesn't love qcow3? (or v3 qcow2, if you prefer) Best,

Re: Fedora Cloud Docs

2015-03-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/19/2015 08:20 AM, Kushal Das wrote: 1. Syntax is almost like markdown. 2. It has more features targeted towards devels. 3. If we maintain in a public git repo, we can use a service like readthedocs.org to build and publish the docs, we can have it in the way of

Re: NetworkManager and network services both enabled in Fedora Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Dusty Mabe
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:47:22PM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: Both NetworkManager and network systemd services are enabled in F21 and F22 Atomic and this could be causing some issues we are seeing. We should probably open a BZ for this. If no one objects I will make one. Opened this BZ:

Re: NetworkManager and network services both enabled in Fedora Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Matt Micene
I'd be in favor of pulling NetworkManager. It still seems that network is the way for server class systems to handle networking. -Matt M On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: Both NetworkManager and network systemd services are enabled in F21 and F22 Atomic

Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Derek Carter
Got excited playing with the images linked from this article: http://fedoramagazine.org/using-fedora-22-atomic-vagrant-boxes/ But I'm not yet up to speed with the atomic way of dealing with things and was looking for a more standard dev environment to play with F22. Is there a non-atomic

Re: Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Matt Micene
Have you looked at http://www.projectatomic.io/docs/gettingstarted/ for a guide to the atomic way with docker and kubernetes? On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Derek Carter goozb...@friocorte.com wrote: Got excited playing with the images linked from this article:

Re: Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 03/19/2015 03:36 PM, Derek Carter wrote: Got excited playing with the images linked from this article: http://fedoramagazine.org/using-fedora-22-atomic-vagrant-boxes/ But I'm not yet up to speed with the atomic way of dealing with things and was looking for a more standard dev

note: uid/gid breakage in F21 Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Colin Walters
The latest tree update changed the gid for sshkeys (among other things). It needs a backport of some rpm-ostree fixes: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1203006 Which are waiting on karma here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/rpm-ostree-2015.3-1.fc21

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday, March 19, 2015 08:45:36 AM Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/19/2015 12:11 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: If you have raw data, I'd be happy to explore it for you - email me off-list if you need an NDA or something like that. Any data we have should be shared with all or none. We

Re: Cloud SIG meeting minutes (2015-03-18)

2015-03-19 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday, March 19, 2015 08:44:19 AM Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/18/2015 06:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 06:04:22PM -0400, Jason Brooks wrote: * jzb help find scollier additional maintainer for dockerfiles On this item, I believe that the CentOS folks are

Re: Cloud image lifetimes

2015-03-19 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: On Thursday, March 19, 2015 08:45:36 AM Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/19/2015 12:11 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: If you have raw data, I'd be happy to explore it for you - email me off-list if you need an NDA or

Re: NetworkManager and network services both enabled in Fedora Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:47:22PM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: I would suggest that we adopt the approach that Fedora Cloud Base takes by just having the Network service enabled. This would also mean we can pull the NetworkManager packages out of atomic and make the image smaller. I'm in favor.

Re: Fedora EC2 Amis: SriovNetSupport

2015-03-19 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 2015-03-19 9:11, milanisko k wrote: I'd like to ask about the status/plan of SriovNet support[1] for Fedora Amazon images. I was able to set this up manually for recent F21 ami ami-5cd9ea41, but it is quite an inconvenient experience --- one has to instantiate, stop, set attribute value

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday, March 19, 2015 09:20:55 AM Scott Collier wrote: On 03/11/2015 09:40 AM, Major Hayden wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2015 09:23 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I'm CC'ing Scott b/c, if I'm not mistaken, he's done quite a lot of the work so far on

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Scott Collier
On 03/19/2015 09:25 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Scott we found an interesting problem with libvirt protections on /dev/kvm. If you run this container on an atomic machine, the device has the wrong protections. You need to add chmod 666 /dev/kvm to make it work, or chmod 660 /dev/kvm chown

Re: Fedora Cloud Docs

2015-03-19 Thread Pete Travis
On Mar 19, 2015 6:21 AM, Kushal Das kushal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/03/15, Joe Brockmeier wrote: On 03/19/2015 01:14 AM, Pete Travis wrote: So, as I'm working on some tooling for a new Fedora Docs site, I'd like to know what would get *you* into writing about Fedora Cloud. In the

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Scott Collier
On 03/11/2015 09:40 AM, Major Hayden wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2015 09:23 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I'm CC'ing Scott b/c, if I'm not mistaken, he's done quite a lot of the work so far on the Dockerfiles - but also, I think he's looking for assistance there

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Daniel J Walsh
Scott we found an interesting problem with libvirt protections on /dev/kvm. If you run this container on an atomic machine, the device has the wrong protections. You need to add chmod 666 /dev/kvm to make it work, or chmod 660 /dev/kvm chown root:qemu /dev/kvm I think this would break on other

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Lalatendu Mohanty
On 03/19/2015 07:50 PM, Scott Collier wrote: On 03/11/2015 09:40 AM, Major Hayden wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2015 09:23 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I'm CC'ing Scott b/c, if I'm not mistaken, he's done quite a lot of the work so far on the Dockerfiles - but

Re: Non-atomic Vagrant images?

2015-03-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see what else needs to be done there. Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes. That someone _might_ be me, but if we want it before next

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:10:33AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: So dgilmore pointed out that f22 docker images will not have yum installed - which means we need to update the Dockerfiles for f22 to use dnf and not yum.

Fedora EC2 Amis: SriovNetSupport

2015-03-19 Thread milanisko k
Hello list, I'd like to ask about the status/plan of SriovNet support[1] for Fedora Amazon images. I was able to set this up manually for recent F21 ami ami-5cd9ea41, but it is quite an inconvenient experience --- one has to instantiate, stop, set attribute value through the CLI tool and start

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: I think this would break on other machines that do not have libvirt installed on the host. Right, it's a problem orthogonal to the Atomic Host. Scott we found an interesting problem with libvirt protections on

Re: dnf in Dockerfiles

2015-03-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:10:33AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: So dgilmore pointed out that f22 docker images will not have yum installed - which means we need to update the Dockerfiles for f22 to use dnf and not yum. Personally, this feels like a lot of pain for little gain to me. We

Re: Testing of http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/21-20150309/Cloud-Images/x86_64/Images/

2015-03-19 Thread Kushal Das
On 19/03/15, Kushal Das wrote: Hi, I tested the images locally following the cloud tests. They passed successfully. But I failed to make them to boot on fed-cloud02. As a side note, in the atomic image I am getting one service failed to load in the first boot, can not see the error after a

NetworkManager and network services both enabled in Fedora Atomic

2015-03-19 Thread Dusty Mabe
Both NetworkManager and network systemd services are enabled in F21 and F22 Atomic and this could be causing some issues we are seeing. We should probably open a BZ for this. If no one objects I will make one. I would suggest that we adopt the approach that Fedora Cloud Base takes by just