Re: docker-latest in Fedora
On 01/15/2017 04:47 PM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: > > > On Jan 15, 2017 10:07 PM, "Dusty Mabe" <mailto:du...@dustymabe.com>> wrote: > > > > On 01/13/2017 11:18 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: > > > > > > > > That sounds good. However, I didn't fully understand how to achieve > that. Do you mean that docker-latest shouldn't build docker-latest anymore > but just require "docker" and make a symlink out of it? > > Exactly. in other words, it's just a placeholder for now. > With the power of git it won't be too hard to revive the > spec file to start building it again if we decide we need to. > > > Not sure that's gonna work well. The thing that's not really the point maybe. > The issue is there's really a lack of users for docker-latest and I'm > questioning its existence :). > Take F24 for instance, docker is at 1.10.3 while docker-latest is at 1.12.6. > However, nobody really test/use it resulting in me spending time updating it > where it sounds like nobody cares about it. > Your approach works for F25, both docker and docker-latest are at 1.12.x. > Maybe we should just wait for system containers and keep building it (on me). I think the proposed strategy would work just fine, but, like you said, the bigger question is "do we have any users for docker-latest in Fedora"? If we don't think so then scrapping docker-latest until demand rises is ok with me. In the end you are the one doing the work so you have the most say in what happens. Dusty ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: docker-latest in Fedora
On Jan 15, 2017 10:07 PM, "Dusty Mabe" wrote: On 01/13/2017 11:18 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: > > > > That sounds good. However, I didn't fully understand how to achieve that. Do you mean that docker-latest shouldn't build docker-latest anymore but just require "docker" and make a symlink out of it? Exactly. in other words, it's just a placeholder for now. With the power of git it won't be too hard to revive the spec file to start building it again if we decide we need to. Not sure that's gonna work well. The thing that's not really the point maybe. The issue is there's really a lack of users for docker-latest and I'm questioning its existence :). Take F24 for instance, docker is at 1.10.3 while docker-latest is at 1.12.6. However, nobody really test/use it resulting in me spending time updating it where it sounds like nobody cares about it. Your approach works for F25, both docker and docker-latest are at 1.12.x. Maybe we should just wait for system containers and keep building it (on me). If you need any help with this let me know. Dusty ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: docker-latest in Fedora
On 01/13/2017 11:18 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: > > > > That sounds good. However, I didn't fully understand how to achieve that. Do > you mean that docker-latest shouldn't build docker-latest anymore but just > require "docker" and make a symlink out of it? Exactly. in other words, it's just a placeholder for now. With the power of git it won't be too hard to revive the spec file to start building it again if we decide we need to. If you need any help with this let me know. Dusty ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: docker-latest in Fedora
On Jan 13, 2017 4:09 PM, "Dusty Mabe" wrote: On 01/13/2017 09:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > > On 01/13/2017 08:38 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Seems like no people are really using docker-latest in Fedora. I >> realized that because the version in F25 is old and nobody adds karma >> to the updates in bodhi there. Is there any real user of docker-latest >> in Fedora? Just asking because it's a maintenance cost to always >> rebuild that as well (even if I automated it a bit). To my knowledge, >> openshift guys aren't really using it either. Should we spread the >> voice about it? What do you think? > > The only time to care about it, would be when docker is way behind > docker-latest. For example docker-1.10 versus docker-latest-1.12. > > I would hope with system containers we could start to get away from > docker-latest, It would probably be more effective to ship a system > container that openshift could use in Rawhide and then support that then > continue with docker-latest. Then we would just ship the current docker > for a run of fedora. Updating the docker system container as OpenShift > needs change. > > The way I see it, docker-1.12 shipped with Fedora 25, we would never > update it except for minor release. docker-1.12.6 for example. But if > docker-1.13 ships, then we just package that for Rawhide and make a > rawhide system container available with it. If users want to run > docker-1.13 they would need to run it in a system container. > > This would get us experience in handling of system containers. Yeah, I think that can be the approach down the line. Antonio, for now until we get system containers fully worked out can just make docker-latest require docker-current and symlink to docker-current? We can batch the That sounds good. However, I didn't fully understand how to achieve that. Do you mean that docker-latest shouldn't build docker-latest anymore but just require "docker" and make a symlink out of it? updates together and have them be the same version. which shouldn't be too much of a maintenance burden because the docker-latest rpm would never change anything other than version #. This would allow us to "revive" docker-latest in the future if we changed our minds and we can revisit this strategy for f26. Thoughts? ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: docker-latest in Fedora
On 01/13/2017 09:45 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > > On 01/13/2017 08:38 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Seems like no people are really using docker-latest in Fedora. I >> realized that because the version in F25 is old and nobody adds karma >> to the updates in bodhi there. Is there any real user of docker-latest >> in Fedora? Just asking because it's a maintenance cost to always >> rebuild that as well (even if I automated it a bit). To my knowledge, >> openshift guys aren't really using it either. Should we spread the >> voice about it? What do you think? > > The only time to care about it, would be when docker is way behind > docker-latest. For example docker-1.10 versus docker-latest-1.12. > > I would hope with system containers we could start to get away from > docker-latest, It would probably be more effective to ship a system > container that openshift could use in Rawhide and then support that then > continue with docker-latest. Then we would just ship the current docker > for a run of fedora. Updating the docker system container as OpenShift > needs change. > > The way I see it, docker-1.12 shipped with Fedora 25, we would never > update it except for minor release. docker-1.12.6 for example. But if > docker-1.13 ships, then we just package that for Rawhide and make a > rawhide system container available with it. If users want to run > docker-1.13 they would need to run it in a system container. > > This would get us experience in handling of system containers. Yeah, I think that can be the approach down the line. Antonio, for now until we get system containers fully worked out can just make docker-latest require docker-current and symlink to docker-current? We can batch the updates together and have them be the same version. which shouldn't be too much of a maintenance burden because the docker-latest rpm would never change anything other than version #. This would allow us to "revive" docker-latest in the future if we changed our minds and we can revisit this strategy for f26. Thoughts? ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: docker-latest in Fedora
On 01/13/2017 08:38 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: > Hi, > > Seems like no people are really using docker-latest in Fedora. I > realized that because the version in F25 is old and nobody adds karma > to the updates in bodhi there. Is there any real user of docker-latest > in Fedora? Just asking because it's a maintenance cost to always > rebuild that as well (even if I automated it a bit). To my knowledge, > openshift guys aren't really using it either. Should we spread the > voice about it? What do you think? The only time to care about it, would be when docker is way behind docker-latest. For example docker-1.10 versus docker-latest-1.12. I would hope with system containers we could start to get away from docker-latest, It would probably be more effective to ship a system container that openshift could use in Rawhide and then support that then continue with docker-latest. Then we would just ship the current docker for a run of fedora. Updating the docker system container as OpenShift needs change. The way I see it, docker-1.12 shipped with Fedora 25, we would never update it except for minor release. docker-1.12.6 for example. But if docker-1.13 ships, then we just package that for Rawhide and make a rawhide system container available with it. If users want to run docker-1.13 they would need to run it in a system container. This would get us experience in handling of system containers. ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
docker-latest in Fedora
Hi, Seems like no people are really using docker-latest in Fedora. I realized that because the version in F25 is old and nobody adds karma to the updates in bodhi there. Is there any real user of docker-latest in Fedora? Just asking because it's a maintenance cost to always rebuild that as well (even if I automated it a bit). To my knowledge, openshift guys aren't really using it either. Should we spread the voice about it? What do you think? ___ cloud mailing list -- cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
