Gee, lots of time where the list has very little
traffic and now it's hard to keep up. ;-)
Andre Milton wrote:
> My problem with SCORM is that it defines TOO MUCH.
I had the same problem with CORBA. It was fun and
exciting watching the CORBA standard evolve in the
early '90s, but in the end, it
--- "Austin, Darrel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Content needs to be
> established, then it needs to be
> delivered (with a presentation). There are times
> when these two need to be
> developed tightly together, but when that's the
> case, there really isn't a
> need for CM as much as DM.
>
>
San Francisco and the Bay area anyone?
Please, reply off-list.
Marc Verstaen
CEO - Beatware Inc.
http://www.beatware.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of VanSchoick, Jonathan
.
Same goes for Philadelphia...
.
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> The Redhat solution has been ported to Postresql, but
> isn't available to the public yet. The freely available
> version only works with oracle.
OpenACS (Open ArsDigita Community System) is a Postgres version of ArsDigita
that has been available for a few years.
> Goes something like this:
Peter,
> Given the competitive nature of the CMS server space I would
> be surprised to see a lot of server-server interoperability
> in the near future.
>>>Agreed. But maybe Open Source products can develop/adopt standards.
That
>>>might put pressure on the commercial companies.
I have been am
Same goes for Philadelphia...
Please e-mail me off-list.
Thanks,
Jonathan
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From: Joe Liedtke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Subject: RE: [cms-list] pub/london/cms
And a "me too" for Seattle. If you are interested please let me know
off-list.
Thanks,
Joe
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George Siemens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi...I've posted an intro article on CM:
> http://www.elearnspace.org/Articles/contentmanagement.htm
>
> I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions. I'd like to use it as a
> framework for pitching a formal CMS initiative at our college.
Currently I'
Ok...my last post on the topic (I think people are getting bored with me)...
> I'd like to play devil's advocate here. One of the intrinsically
> different things about presentation on the web -- to say nothing about
> alternative formats like WAP -- is that you have no idea what the
> physical p
Sure, but where do you place the modification of the title in a template
or a button? Is it design or content?
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Austin, Darrel
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: R
AFAIK, there is no authoritative mapping of human languages to either
character encodings (sets of glyphs) or sovereign states (aka
countries). There are authoritative, language-neutral definitions for each
of these: ISO codes for languages and countries and IANA "character set names".
The onl
> Of course Darrel we know you mean that this is true only in
> organizations
> where there is a clear separation between the two roles right? :-)
Right. I'm certainly speaking theoretically.
Still...while the roles may be handled by one person, they really are still
two different tasks. Conten
All,
Looks like I am coming to the well again since everyone was so helpful last time on
IBM. What do
you know of PaperThin. I understand its a Cold Fusion based product. But how does it
scale and
easily customize. Any thoughts, resources, comparisons would be much appreciated.
John
=
Joh
"Austin, Darrel" wrote:
> > Format
> > matters to writers, it informs the writing process and serves as the
> > "rules of the road" they must follow in structuring their text and
> > communication agenda.
>
> Is it format or media that matters? When working at the paper, every story
> was done
> I absolutetly agree. The difference here is that the content authors
write,
> the graphic designers design.
Of course Darrel we know you mean that this is true only in organizations
where there is a clear separation between the two roles right? :-)
If you look at a breakdown of businesses in t
At 03:38 PM 1/30/2003 -0500, André Milton wrote:
they complain about the fact that it doesn't properly display the width of
the final output. They edit large blocks of texts but when they click
preview, it suddenly gets squeezed into a narrow column and then scrolls
for several pages on end.
Andre_Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:OMG! "Big B", I don't think you read my post
closely enough. I like these "sales guys". In fact, they've helped the most in
shaping our product over the last year. Their feedback has been invaluable. Who are
you and what gives you the right to make
> The ultimate look and feel of your content IS important and is not
> something that should be left to the DBA or whover who oversees the
> overall CMS. If you ask me, a CMS should make it as easy for
> designers
> and artists to design, manipulate and output "pages" (essentially, the
> shells i
OMG! "Big B", I don't think you read my post closely enough. I like these
"sales guys". In fact, they've helped the most in shaping our product over
the last year. Their feedback has been invaluable. Who are you and what
gives you the right to make such a claim? This'll be my last post for th
> I am sick and tired hearing you talk about "sales guys"
> and what they present to the CMS market.
I belive Andre's point was that the CMS client was a sales force. A
salesperson isn't necessarily a graphic designer, typographer, or copy
editor, and the argument was that they really shouldn't
Little A,
I am sick and tired hearing you talk about "sales guys" and what they present to the
CMS market. Believe it or not, alot of sales people enjoy reading these emails,
learning about what the "people" are talking about and ultimately learning from all
the feedback. You always tout your
> To them, knowing where the line wraps
> is important.
But is it?
It's not. This is just an issue the content author has. Where the line wraps
is really irrelevant to most everyone except maybe the graphic designer who
is laying out a printed piece...which always takes manual handiwork anyway
Agreed. But this means that you have to be able to manipulate also the
graphic content. And so far, I haven't heard any comment or concern from
the list about that. If the look is important, then, you need to be able
to generate dynamically buttons, drop-down menus, banners and so on. I
am curious
Greetings. I am a web developer at an non-profit educational R&D -- we
do such things (among others) as on-line professional development
courses for grade-school teachers, and collaborative on-line learning
environments for grade-school students. As you might expect, this topic
is of considerabl
The Redhat solution has been ported to Postresql, but isn't available to the public
yet. The freely available version only works with oracle.
Goes something like this:
5.0.x - open source/free release, works with oracle
5.1.x/5.2.x - commercial/support contract required, works with both Postgre
And a "me too" for Seattle. If you are interested please let me know
off-list.
Thanks,
Joe
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From: Charles Reitzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:06 PM
To: Hendler, Josh
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [cms-list] pub/london/cms
Same goe
>
> In an office environment, it's different, of course, but I'd
> like to throw
> out the argument that having authors fully understand the concept of
> seperating their content completely from any presentational
> structure is a
> critical concept to grasp for the content management
> system/
Hi Darrel,
I think you get a better idea of the problem when you see different types
of users play with the system. We deal a lot with a sales company based
here in Montreal. They are all "sales guys". They consider themselves
"visual" even though what they produce hurts my eyes. Even t
I certainly don't want this topic to veer off into the realm of off
topicness, so if it does, someone shoot it down.
That said, I find it a very interesting topic...
> For example - if I work in Marketing Communications and am tasked to
> write Press Releases, how can I insure that my press relea
Peter VanDijck wrote:
Anyone know where I can find a list of languages, in English and also in
those other languages. Also countries where they are spoken and other
info if available. And preferably in some kind of machine readable
format
Peter
http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/nisoLang3-1994.
Anyone know where I can find a list of languages, in English and also in
those other languages. Also countries where they are spoken and other
info if available. And preferably in some kind of machine readable
format
Peter
--
http://cms-list.org/
more signal, less noise.
We (Red Hat) are tracking JSR 170:
http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=170
"This API proposes that content repositories have a dedicated, standard
way of interaction with applications that deal with content. This API
will focus on transactional read/write access, binary content (stream
operati
> Given the competitive nature of the CMS server space I would
> be surprised to see a lot of server-server interoperability
> in the near future.
Agreed. But maybe Open Source products can develop/adopt standards. That
might put pressure on the commercial companies.
Peter
--
http://cms-list.org/
Re: the statements below.
I think the difficulty everyday non-technical business users have with
completely divorcing content from presentation is that it makes it
difficult for them to understand how they need to structure their text
according.
For example - if I work in Marketing Communications
I did not find a packaged solution for "content planning facility," but I've
seen the business need before and can explain how it is different from
content creation/review/approval workflow.
(Disclaimer: I work for a CMS vendor.)
I briefly worked with a consumer products company that conducted m
Avi wrote:
> The Open Source CMS people are very interested in
> interoperability. They were talking about it a lot at
> OSCOM last year, and you should definitely look at their
> work before going on.
We participated in the OSCOM conference in Berkeley last
year. It was decided that browser(clie
Same goes for Boston. If anyone in this is interested in a periodic SIG
"meeting", drop me a line.
take it easy,
Charles
At 02:12 PM 1/30/2003 -0500, Hendler, Josh wrote:
Just an aside to this- Does anyone think there is considerable demand to
start such a thing in NYC as well? If interested, l
Ahhh my favorite two questions... What is CM? and What should a CMS do?
Seeing that you don't yet have access to my ramblings in the cms-list
archive, I'll throw in my 2 cents again. And I promise I'll keep my
response short(er) this time.
;-)
If you're out there evaluating/comparing products,
> Totally agree that users can have lots of difficulty when
> presented with
> Content
> Wysiwyg pages that allow the user to "get the feel" of what
> he is entering
> or creating is the real requirement.
Is this an issue of human nature, or simply learned behavior?
I agree that content should
At 11:58 AM + 1/27/03, David O'Dwyer wrote:
ii) Why haven't CMS vendors come out with interoperability standards as
well? It probably fair to say that many (most?) are still using proprietary
approaches.
The Open Source CMS people are very interested in interoperability.
They were talking
Just an aside to this- Does anyone think there is considerable demand to
start such a thing in NYC as well? If interested, let me know off-list.
Thanks
-josh
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From: Tom Weiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subje
Hehe... Always love your input Charles. I'm sure I'll annoy the group more
though. ;)
My problem with SCORM is that it defines TOO MUCH. I think our primary
objective with a new standard would be to make things simple. I am a big
supporter of the KISS principle especially when it comes
Totally agree that users can have lots of difficulty when presented with
Content
Wysiwyg pages that allow the user to "get the feel" of what he is entering
or creating is the real requirement. Complicated stuff should be kept to
the end. We have seen many demo's of product that they say is easy,
Well I'd more than just quibble with Emad's emphasis on "NOT pages".
Of course a CMS must separate content from presentation (or "page
structure" if you like). But from a usability perspective, it is very
often better not to make that separation too explicit in the authoring
process. I've often
Good overall list. The only thing I'd quibble with:
> CMS help users create and edit content NOT pages
The ultimate look and feel of your content IS important and is not something
that should be left to the DBA or whover who oversees the overall CMS. If
you ask me, a CMS should make it as easy
Due to considerable demand, the pub/london/cms sessions will resume
after an extended Christmas break on Wednesday 20th February in the
Wheatsheaf pub in Stoney Street.
You can get a map and directions at:
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/691/
You will be able to recognise the m
emad,
thank you for the reply. i agree on your definition
however given a publishing scenario, how would i apply
CMS? how would content be broken down? im actually
doing a publishing(online magazine or newsletter)
management system(believing that it will be
conceptualize from CM) but my professor
Wow Wow
I am very happy that I am talking to one who has good exp in CMS
If you think that systems that offer for users the ability just to edit
pages and use template to create them is a real CMS, that means realy I am
new in CMS and I need to learn more
Management is very important but Content i
Hear, hear! Emad's reply (reproduced below) to the
question of "What is CMS" (often broached on this
list, naturally) is clear-headed, vendor-neutral and
timely. It reminds us of what is often incorrectly
assumed to be a commonly understood paradigm.
We've all read plenty of suppliers' and clients
ArsDigita was acquired by Red Hat who continue to support their open source software
under the Red Hat label of CMS & ECM. Contact Red Hat's Content and Collaboration
Solutions group for more information.
Paul
In a message dated 1/25/2003 7:55:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Daniel,
You should have a look at BroadVision. V. expensive but their out of the box packages
to allow forward planning.
Regards
Hazel
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From: Charles Reitzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 January 2003 17:06
To: Daniel Wood
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
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