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From: Michael Kowalski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [cms-list] new to list/cm - What is CMS?
Emad, you're right of course.
You just have to bear in mind that the content could (and in many
cases, should
Emad, you're right of course.
You just have to bear in mind that the content could (and in many
cases, should) *look* like a page in the user interface. It's therefore
quite possible for a CMS to *look* rather like a DMS.
I can't really agree with Darrel about needing to change the
The same old questions all over again :)
The same old rants all over again :)
The same old conclusions all over again :)
:)
A CMS is just that, a Content Management System. Can be the core of a
Portal, the Core of your Web Site, the Core of a Library, the Core of an
emad,
thank you for the reply. i agree on your definition
however given a publishing scenario, how would i apply
CMS? how would content be broken down? im actually
doing a publishing(online magazine or newsletter)
management system(believing that it will be
conceptualize from CM) but my professor
Well I'd more than just quibble with Emad's emphasis on NOT pages.
Of course a CMS must separate content from presentation (or page
structure if you like). But from a usability perspective, it is very
often better not to make that separation too explicit in the authoring
process. I've often
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From: Michael Kowalski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 January 2003 16:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [cms-list] new to list/cm
Totally agree that users can have lots of difficulty when
presented with
Content
Wysiwyg pages that allow the user to get the feel of what
he is entering
or creating is the real requirement.
Is this an issue of human nature, or simply learned behavior?
I agree that content should be
] new to list/cm - What is CMS?
Is this an issue of human nature, or simply learned behavior?
I agree that content should be content...devoid of any specific
presentation
initially. I also agree that many content authors have trouble grasping
that.
So, I guess is more of a theoretical type
I certainly don't want this topic to veer off into the realm of off
topicness, so if it does, someone shoot it down.
That said, I find it a very interesting topic...
For example - if I work in Marketing Communications and am tasked to
write Press Releases, how can I insure that my press
Hi Darrel,
I think you get a better idea of the problem when you see different types
of users play with the system. We deal a lot with a sales company based
here in Montreal. They are all sales guys. They consider themselves
visual even though what they produce hurts my eyes. Even
to read how the list feels about that.
Marc Verstaen
CEO - Beatware Inc.
http://www.beatware.com
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On Behalf Of Adam Gaffin
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [cms-list] new
To them, knowing where the line wraps
is important.
But is it?
It's not. This is just an issue the content author has. Where the line wraps
is really irrelevant to most everyone except maybe the graphic designer who
is laying out a printed piece...which always takes manual handiwork
Little A,
I am sick and tired hearing you talk about sales guys and what they present to the
CMS market. Believe it or not, alot of sales people enjoy reading these emails,
learning about what the people are talking about and ultimately learning from all
the feedback. You always tout your
OMG! Big B, I don't think you read my post closely enough. I like these
sales guys. In fact, they've helped the most in shaping our product over
the last year. Their feedback has been invaluable. Who are you and what
gives you the right to make such a claim? This'll be my last post for the
The ultimate look and feel of your content IS important and is not
something that should be left to the DBA or whover who oversees the
overall CMS. If you ask me, a CMS should make it as easy for
designers
and artists to design, manipulate and output pages (essentially, the
shells into
At 03:38 PM 1/30/2003 -0500, André Milton wrote:
they complain about the fact that it doesn't properly display the width of
the final output. They edit large blocks of texts but when they click
preview, it suddenly gets squeezed into a narrow column and then scrolls
for several pages on end.
I absolutetly agree. The difference here is that the content authors
write,
the graphic designers design.
Of course Darrel we know you mean that this is true only in organizations
where there is a clear separation between the two roles right? :-)
If you look at a breakdown of businesses in
Austin, Darrel wrote:
Format
matters to writers, it informs the writing process and serves as the
rules of the road they must follow in structuring their text and
communication agenda.
Is it format or media that matters? When working at the paper, every story
was done in a word
Of course Darrel we know you mean that this is true only in
organizations
where there is a clear separation between the two roles right? :-)
Right. I'm certainly speaking theoretically.
Still...while the roles may be handled by one person, they really are still
two different tasks. Content
: RE: [cms-list] new to list/cm - What is CMS?
The ultimate look and feel of your content IS important and is not
something that should be left to the DBA or whover who oversees the
overall CMS. If you ask me, a CMS should make it as easy for
designers and artists to design, manipulate
Ok...my last post on the topic (I think people are getting bored with me)...
I'd like to play devil's advocate here. One of the intrinsically
different things about presentation on the web -- to say nothing about
alternative formats like WAP -- is that you have no idea what the
physical
What is CMS?
No one until now know what is Really CMS
Some vendors provides application for web site management or page management
and they think they are providing CMS
When you see a system that only give you the ability to create pages
depending on Template and, manage the created pages, you
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