Worse yet, one bad tack and the beer may go overboard!!!
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Sent: December 4, 2013 9:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail )
Rick:
I am confident
Tim,
I haven't gotten his quote yet but Hall Is at $3,040 and Bay Sailing
Equipment in New Bedford is at $2,939. The quote from Bay Sailing includes
2, 3/8 x 6.75 long and 8, 7/16 x 7.38 long NAVTEC Screws ad I'm guessing
those are not included in the Hall Spars quote.
Interestingly, Hall quoted
Sorry to nitpick, but to set the record straight, the center of
buoyancy(CB) does not have to be above the center of gravity (CG) for
positive stability, in fact, most often the CB is below CG. It is
correct that when a boat heels, the CB moves towards the low side as
more hull is immersed,
Finished up impeller change on my 2gm20 last night. Used the Irwin
spreader/clamp to tension the belts after tensioning. That worked great.
Cleaned out the strainer and the gasket disintegrated. Ended up cutting
down a sink faucet gasket base from home depot to put it back together and
keep it
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Our experience with Middle C has been been similar to Don and others. She
loves 12 to 15kts and we only reef in winds over 20kts. We have wheel steering
and a stiff hand is needed on the helm at the top of this range, but nothing
overwhelming. We have a 155% genoa, a slight rake at the mast
Anybody suggest some dish soap in the pump prior to start? Glad things
worked out well.
On Dec 5, 2013 10:46 AM, Kevin Driscoll kevindrisc...@gmail.com wrote:
Finished up impeller change on my 2gm20 last night. Used the Irwin
spreader/clamp to tension the belts after tensioning. That worked
My buddy is selling a nice nearly new SS expansion tank on FleaBay -
currently at $.01. Cheap enough for a sailor!
http://www.ebay.com/sch/drf6_gjoa/m.html?item=321261809178
http://www.ebay.com/sch/drf6_gjoa/m.html?item=321261809178pt=Boat_Parts_Ac
Always pull and put my old impeller in a ziploc, attached to the engine key
(along with the knotmeter paddlewheel I pull as a worst case drain), so I
remember to install each before launch. That was a good idea from a lister
some years ago. That said, I almost always use a new impeller.
Nate
Joel,
I’ve used the Nikon Oceanpro — the model with compass is on sale at
Defender for $279 —
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C17%7C2338922%7C2338923id=8323
There’s also a new Fujinon which is comparable to the Nikon in every
way — on sale for $229 —
Edd,
I'm also a big fan of Defender! What did you think of the Nikon?
Joel
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote:
Joel,
I’ve used the Nikon Oceanpro — the model with compass is on sale at
Defender for $279 —
Joel,
I thought they were great, but given the specs and costs, I’d have a
hard time justifying to myself paying almost 25% additional over the Fujinon.
Just my 2 cents.
Or, 2.25 cents, depending on which way you go.
All the best,
Edd
I have used a pair of Steiner's Commander model for years. I especially
appreciate its ability to gather image in low light. They have survived many a
wet passage without moisture issues. I do keep them out of the hot sun or
severe wet when not in use. I insist that any crew who dares to
Hi
I am also looking for binoculars but these are for wildlife viewing on smaller
lakes. Any thoughts on these?
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=1268814catalogId=10001langId=-1storeId=11151storeNum=50714subdeptNum=50728classNum=50731#
Aruba 7 x 50
the cc custom plant used aircraft aluminium for shrouds ,related
bolts,mast steps,rudder mainframes,rudder posts,stem fittings,aft spinnaker
attachment points,goosenecks,spinnaker pole ends,plus many other
items...have stood the test of timefrom early 60s as bruckmann mfg. to
cccustom back to
Aluminum, with its high strength to weight ratio is a terrific material for
many applications. However, even the highest modulus aluminums at their
highest tempers (6061-T6) will not be able to withstand years of a higher
modulus material (stainless wire rope) abrading it. So, if a stainless steel
Neil,
this cannot be. As Rick said, if the CB was below the CG, the boat would
instantly turtle, at the slightest provocation (the state of equilibrium at
rest (flat on the water, with the mast upright) would be inherently unstable).
Btw. this is why we carry around the heavy keels (to move
Joel,
I have a pair of Nikons. Not the Ocean Pro, but Action EX (8x40). Probably
half-price. Love them. Never fogged, never got wet inside. Big enough to see
even in lower light. Light enough to carry around. Great service and warranty
(I had to replace them (my error)). I would stay away from
Greetings listers,
Since yahoo has gone to this new format, I don't know how to respond and cut
off all but the last email.
Any computer gurus out there with a SIMPLE explanation.
Ron
Wild Cheri
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Marek:
Picture a large cruise ship: its draft might be 10 m, so its vertical
center of buoyancy is a little more than 1/2 way from the keel to the
waterline, say 6m above the keel. The center of gravity is not only
above the center of buoyancy, it's well above the waterline, sometimes
20 m
Jimmy,
I appreciate you sharing the CC historical information, especially from the
60's and 70's. You mention Morch Marine in Belleville as an early CC partner.
Do you know who Bruckmann used for the rigs in the early (Calypso is hull #1
of the 43's launched as Arieto in January 1971)
Joel,
I have a pair of Steiner Marine binoculars and love them. Everyone who
uses them has expressed how clear and bright the image is (with the strap
on, but maybe not as obsessively as if they were the Commander model).
Whoever was asking about wildlife viewing, I think you'd be looking for
Sounds like I have 3 good brands to choose from. Any of them will be a
vast improvement over what I have now - Tasco's that were on clearance at
Ritz Camera years ago for $20!
Thanks to all for the input. Keep it coming!
Joel
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote:
I keep a tube of vaseline aboard for the water pump impeller and O-rongs on my
speedo. Skiiers waterproof Lip Baum also works well.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 CC 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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Yeah Steve,
Your complaint drew a lot of responses. It was fun to learn that Rhode Island
has no tax on boats! Amazing. I had to pay 7% state sales tax upon registration
here in New Jersey plus an extra $80 to the USCG to change owner and homeport
on my documentation. But it doesn't make you
All this talk recently about sail tuning got me wondering. I have
some unique issues I could use some help and not much experience with
tuning anyway. We don;t race. But still like to do things right...
So, here goes...
Alera (1990 37+/40 wing keel) came equipped with a Schaefer Boom
..
After the third pair in two years fogged up internally I gave up and bought
the Nikons. We had a lot of WM binoculars returned because they leaked, so I
should have known better.
Don
CC 29 mk1
Life
Curtis;
In my case it was Bow-fert (as in NC), not Bew-fert (as in SC).
I'm pretty sure I looks at your 30 mk1 when I was picking up a delivery at
Port Royal Landing back in September. Trahlyta, the boat we were moving, was
on the first set of docks to the right as you walk out the LOOONG
just a question of interest...is you 34r with a outboard rudder mounted on
transom?believe 5 were built
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Wow! Using a CC 30 to deliver farm produce on Puget Sound? Part of me says,
I'm glad someone is doing that and another part of me wonders how this can be
more economical than trucking it. Many times, that area has little to no wind
and kayaks are faster than sailboats. They must truck it to and
Tom,
I wish I had your problem. You have a very high performance oriented cruiser
that seems tweaked even further by a very knowledgable and generous previous
owner. Seriously, I can't give qualified advice but suggest you actual contact
the sailmaker who made your mainsail and hire him for
Neil,
Sorry, I'm heavily biased by life experience, logic, hundreds of books on
boats. Read Skene's Elements of Sailboat Design.
Center of buoyancy on a keelboat is always above center of gravity. On my boat
the CB is a foot above the WL while the CG is 4 feet below. The Drawings prove
it.
Forgive me for this Chuck, but some things seem obvious to me.however,
sometimes I get confused.but if buoyancy is ever less than displacement
would that not be a submarine or sunken vessel and if COB is below COG would
she not be inclined to topple over???
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That is exactly what he was saying as I read it.
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of dwight
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Now Stability - was List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1on
That why John Kerry tried to hide his yacht in Newport! It has been a huge
shot in the arm to the marine trades.
Joel
On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Chuck S wrote:
Yeah Steve,
Your complaint drew a lot of responses. It was fun to learn that Rhode
Island has no tax on boats! Amazing. I
I know it just seemed so obvious: was there someone who thought differently?
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas
Sent: December 5, 2013 8:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Now Stability - was List halyards again( 10
Yeper That's Her. Next time you are around shoot me an e-mail we'll have a
drink at the back porch Grill at the landing. Its a small world.
Cheers,Curtis
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote:
Curtis;
In my case it was Bow-fert (as in NC), not Bew-fert
Chuck
I must still be missing something.I thought this list was about keel boats
like our CC's.I was not disagreeing with you but I just thought what you
were saying was so obvious so I thought I must have missed
something.Probably Neil knows his stuff about container ships, cruise liners
and
Chuck
We are for sure blessed...but every silver lining has its cloud...
The boom was installed when Alera was at Niagara-on-the-Lake and the
sails were bought locally there, so getting any help out here in the
PNW from the installer or sailmaker is not an option, though I agree
it would be
I once tried to buy an impounded drug boat, a 54 ft Brewer design.
Would have had to live on it and sell the house, but what the hell...
Anyway, a sailboat is not really under the radar much from those folks.
I worked on an airborne radar system that could see a coke can bobbing
in the
A guy in Wisconsin is parting out an '82 CC 29 on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/82-C-C-29-parting-out-/321246259829?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gearhash=item4acbc4ea75
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As a rule, I don't buy anything with the West Marine brand unless I KNOW it's
an unaltered name brand product with the WM log on it. There aren't a lot of
those items.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
From: Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com
To: 1
Hi Tom,
You sound like you really appreciate your boat and have a very good knowledge
about your options.
If you decide to buy a new mainsail, I suggest you interview several local
people and choose the sailmaker who knows your system and offers the best
support, one who can examine your rig
The notion that the CG must be below the CB is completely correct for a
submarine, because a submarine has no waterplane, and so the CB does not
shift to the low side when it rolls or heels. In that case, the center
of gravity is like a pendulum under the CB and that, and that alone,
gives a
Neil;
I don't consider your original reply to my post to be nitpicking. You are
right and CG can be above CB - and it is for many types of vessels.
I was thinking of the typical keelboat that we sail when I was writing, and
for that type of boat I would stand by my post - the CG in
So if the CG (conspicuous guzzling) exceeds CB (capacity of beer) then
stability is adversely affected??
I must consult my adviser, Johnnie Walker, on this. :)
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
From: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net
To:
Joel;
A few years ago Practical Sailor did a review of binoculars. They said that
Steiners were the very best you could get. But the pair they reviewed were
near $600.
Next was the Fujinon Poseidon MTRC-SX, which are around $450.
Next was the Fujinon Mariner WPC-XL at around $250.
Ok Neil,
Guess you are right about the CB being below the waterline. Had to google it.
I was considering the entire hull as having volume and reserve buoyancy beyond
the displacement value. I learned that that volume above the waterline doesn't
apply to CB until it is wet, like when a wave
John Kerry didn't try to hide his $8million sailboat in Rhode Island. He
just forgot to pay the 8% Use Tax in Massachusetts. It was nice that
someone in network news took the time to remind him. Or so he said while
explaining the big check was in the mail.
Rick Brass
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I have Steiners, without the compass. They are quite heavy, but very
well made with excellent optics. The only part that annoys me is the
cover for the eyepieces, it's a single cover and just doesn't work very
well. I also picked up a floating strap for them from WM but I have yet
to be
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