Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

The one advantage to having an ATN-type tacker or pole setup is that it brings the tack closer to the centerline, which gets more sail out from behind the main. It should give you more speed. Both inside gybe and outside gybe are done outside the forestay. Inside gybe has lazy sheet pass

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

That’s a cool solution. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Ted Drossos via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > Here's a link to how I added a midship cleat. > https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992 > > Ted Drossos > C 110 > Lady in Red > Bay Shore, NY

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

I’m confused. Maybe I have a different sail Mine tacks down to the bow roller via a line led to the cockpit. I can ease the tack to ‘fly’ the kite somewhat. Makes a huge difference when you get it right. I would not use a tacker point-loading my furler extrusion as the sail is nearly 1000

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

The Johnson what I have. On Wed., Mar. 10, 2021, 7:32 a.m. Kevin & Renee Hartig via CnC-List, < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Not on FB. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:41 AM Ted Drossos via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Here's a link to how I added a midship cleat. > https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992 > > Ted Drossos > C 110 > Lady in Red > Bay Shore, NY > > -Original

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

+1 on Gary’s solution. Firewater came with these and I have used them for spring lines for years. Jim Reinardy C 30-2 “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI Get Outlook for iOS From: Gary Newton via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:05:07 AM

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

John, our class of 35-1's in Detroit is going to poling out asymm sails this year. It's meant primarily for long legs where gybing shouldn't happen for a long time. The pole will be kept down low, just above the pulpit. Using the pole keeps the tack on (near) the centerline of the boat.

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Here's a link to how I added a midship cleat.https://www.facebook.com/groups/206427463229026/permalink/298001127404992 Ted DrossosC 110Lady in RedBay Shore, NY -Original Message- From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2021

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

John, I can understand where you want to pull the tack line to make a “firm luff”. I tend to do this in light air before a gybe. What I don’t understand is trying to feed the “tack” between the luff and forestay. Are you sure you don’t mean the clew of the sail (where your sheets are

Stus-List Re: Midship cleat

And then there is the Colstrap - Colstrap7%.jpg From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Adam Hayden Subject: Stus-List Midship cleat I just attach a shackle to my toe rail. Has worked great

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

We use the pole down low, fixed in place, just to get the tack in front of the forestay by a few inches. We don’t adjust the pole unless jibing. From: John McLaughlin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:28 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: johnr...@aol.com Subject: Stus-List Re:

Stus-List Midship cleats on aluminum rail?

We bought a folding cleat that attacks solidly to the toerail with two bolts using two toenail holes. Works great and folds off the deck to avoid a tripping hazard. Not sure where we ordered it at the moment but a Google search may find it. David Miles Impulse 1988 30-2 On March 9, 2021

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I have two of these on my 38MKII for over 12 years. I use them for spring lines and a central docking line……….never an issue with the toe rail on a 38. Since the toe rail does have a rolled top, I simply made a couple of aluminum spacers from bar stock and slipped them below the rolled top

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

I am the one who is confused. You do not fly an asymmetric spinnaker using a spinnaker pole. As for the tack of an assym there are various arrangements. If the tack is attached in some manner to the forestay, you obviously will be doing an outside jibe. If the tack is attached foreword of the

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

From my past of peeling spinnakers, we would use a peeling strap, which was long enough to reach from tack to attachment point (in your case tacker).  Hook it up, ease the guy until the strap is taking the load, drop the guy, tack the pole, re-attach guy, load up the guy, blow the strap and

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

As I've said before, the Tacker puts a side load on your furler foil. Be careful! Joel On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:55 AM Matthew via CnC-List wrote: > I'm anticipating the hard part will be getting the tack connected to the > ATN Tacker under load before the jibe (which I haven't tried yet).

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

I'm anticipating the hard part will be getting the tack connected to the ATN Tacker under load before the jibe (which I haven't tried yet). The issue will be how close I can get the tack to the Tacker shackle by manipulating the pole. I'm thinking if we raise the mast end, this will bring the

Stus-List Re: Midship cleat

I neglected checking archived discussion on the subject. Others have noted different options. It occurs to me a rail attached cleat attached could pose a problem with snagging sheets, etc. Going to experiment with soft shackle--easy to adjust and no wear on the metal. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 7:27

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

I think attaching to The forestay is what you would do if you didn't have a suitable bow roller. Also, attaching to the forestay helps keep it centered. Bill On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 10:10 AM David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The subject of ATN tackers raises another

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I have the same set up as Gary Newton mentioned: https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598 They're great but watch your toes if you are barefoot...! Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37: CB: Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville,

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Stus-List Midship cleat

I just attach a shackle to my toe rail. Has worked great for spring lines. Even in heavy weather. My concern with tying a line to a stanchion would be the additional force if the line rides up the stanchion. Adam C 36 PICTOU NS Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

The subject of ATN tackers raises another issue. My North Reacher has an equivalent sleeve that can be attached around the furled genoa. So it seems like there are two ways to rig the chute. One is to have a block attached to the padeye behind the forestay and up to the tack/sleeve which

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

Cool.  All clear now.  I think the hard part will be getting back from Tacker to pole under load after the gybe, but assuming the tack goes to a winch will work just fine. Cheers,   Jeff On 2021-03-10 10:51 a.m., Matthew via CnC-List wrote: Thanks. All these machinations is why I'm going to

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

This seems to be A YMMV situation depending on exactly how the sail is rigged. On my boat the tack is basically tied to the rolled-up genoa. An inside jibe would have to still be ahead of the genoa or it would pull the halyard under the forestay. I have only ever done outside jibes for this

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

Thanks. All these machinations is why I'm going to try using an ATN tacker for jibes. Then I can move the pole at my leisure. -Original Message- From: Jeff Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Nelson Subject: Stus-List Re:

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

I rigged mine as a Dip Pole gybe so I could handle unloaded lines on my Sym Spin Gybes.  So I have two guys run back to my primary winches.  Load them both up and the pole doesn't move (assuming they are attached to the pole and not the sail (for Asym work), if you want to adjust the exact

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

That is quite a handsome looking cleat. Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie, PA From: Gary Newton via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:05 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Gary Newton Subject: Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

Now I'm missing something. My spin pole extends forward of the forestay, thus necessitating an outside jibe if the tack is attached to/through the pole. I suppose it doesn't need to be on the weather side of the forestay if it is "locked off" as you say. However, I normally control the pole

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

Maybe I'm completely missing something, but why are we moving the pole on an Asym gybe? I would think you would just lock the pole off in the most forward position, so it doesn't move and then just gybe the Asym either inside or outside depending on your preference.  I prefer outsides, I find

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Soft shackle. https://youtu.be/DSAMR27tnFI Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 07:54 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I really like the idea of a soft shackle. Easy and cheap to install, and > if you still really want something

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I use the Johnson cleat for the same purpose. It is slightly undersized for my toe rail (I had to tap them in place with a hammer), but I have not had any other issues. Matt Wolford C 42 Custom From: dwight veinot via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:59 AM To: Stus-List

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

John: I believe the issue for the “outside jibers” is that the tack is secured forward of the forestay. To what is your tack secured? Matt From: John McLaughlin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc:

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

We have had the Johnson toe rail cleats on our 33-ll, work for 10+ years worked great for us. My sister has them on her 30 as well. Like that they fold when not needed. And lines are clear of the deck no tripping hazard going forward, especially with he grandkids on board, they don’t

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I've been using a soft shackle for a few years now. Haven't seen any deterioration due to abrasion from the rail. I used a spring hook for many years but it rubbed the black off the toe rail. I tried hooking the spring hook into the soft shackle but it hung down below the rub rail and rubbed on

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

You don’t even need a soft shackle. I made a number of dyneema loops and loop them through themselves to create loop attachment points at the toenail. I use them for both docking attachment with a carabiner or genoa twing lines with a snatch block. For docking, I added a carabiner to the

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

We've been using soft shackles on the toe rail for fenders and a mid-ship cleat for about three years now. I was curious how they would wear, and have kept a close eye on them. There has been very minor fraying over time, even with no chafe protection. They have faded a bit, but otherwise they are

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I always thing the holes in the toe rail are sharp enough to saw through a line eventually. I would run my finger around the edges before using a soft shackle. Joe Coquina From: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:54 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Bruce Whitmore Subject:

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=598 This what I use attached behind the lower stays/shrouds on the Genoa track Sent from my iPad > On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:27 AM, Peter McMinn via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a > solution

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

We have the Wichard ones (three on each side) fitted for snatch and spinnaker blocks and the one fitted amidships works very well for the spinnaker guy blocks and also for securing dock lines when back alongside. Safe Sailing, Rod Stright President C 99 Class Association Halifax

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

I really like the idea of a soft shackle. Easy and cheap to install, and if you still really want something more permanent, you can always add it. Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis" Madeira Beach, FL (847) 404-5092 On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

That wouldn’t work for me, with my sail tacked to the genoa it would suck the spinnaker halyard around under the forestay. Joe Coquina From: John McLaughlin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sailrm...@comcast.net; johnr...@aol.com Subject:

Stus-List Re: Asymmetical Spinnaker outside jibe

Please don't make such a simple thing so complicated.  The inside jibe is simple and things don't get tangled up as they tend to with the outside jibe. If you have an adjustable tack pull it in to establish a firm  luff.. Head dead downwind while adjusting both spin sheets to bring the tack to

Stus-List Re: Do we have anyone near Rockland Maine?

Rockland is about 2 hours from me but I know people in Rockland that might be able to tell you about the boat if it is a racer Contact me off list Peter C Portland me Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > We might be interested

Stus-List Do we have anyone near Rockland Maine?

We might be interested in a boat there. Joe Coquina Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Similar quest here - The Johnson toerail cleat seems to be the go-to and is reported to work well in several past conversations on this list. https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=80333 Have been intending to try but have hesitated simply because of cosmetics, esp for the price here in

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

Toe rail cleat. Search Binnacle.ca On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:27 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > A question for those of us with aluminum toe rails. I’d like to find a > solution for midship cleating for docking/departing and springline > placement. I’m currently

Stus-List Re: midship cleats on aluminum rail?

This maybe? https://www.internationalmarineservice.com/C-Sherman-Johnson-Toe-Rail-Folding-Cleat-p/cs-48-510.htm They used to make bales that bolted to the rail too. But I can’t seem to find then anywhere anymore. I have 3 on each side. 2 for fenders and 1 between the rigging and the head