An alternative is to wait out for the regular West Marine or Defender 2 for 1 sale on winches……….I’m not a fan of replacing old out of date equipment with more out of date equipment…….
I replaced my Barient collection on my 38MKII over the years and finally went with a 4 speed power winch from Pontos. Pontos was acquired by Karver in 2018 and they have improved that line since. I bought mine from Defender and we continually are amazed at the speed and power these winches provide. My 150 Genoa tacks with 1 crewman releasing and winching on the new side easily. Pontos used to have a video of how they worked, I didn’t look for it but the winches work just like that video. Added note, all of my Barients are available, but shipping is a costly issue. Let me know if you’re interested. Just an alternate suggestion. Ron C From: Dean McNeill via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 6:46 PM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dean McNeill <d...@deanmc.ca> Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 34 Winch replacement Thanks Rick! Very helpful information…. I’ll certainly look into that self-tailing conversion kit paired to the 28’s…. Good idea. Dean On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Dean, There is a Barient Winch catalog available on the L-26 website at Barient Catalog (l-36.com) <https://l-36.com/barient_catalog.php> . You might want to save a copy for future reference. Most of the winch equivalency charts I’ve bookmarked over the past 30 years are no longer active on the web, But the information in the Barient catalog gives some useful information. BTW, L-36 also has a Barient equivalent chart, but it only goes as high as the 22 standard winch, but not the 25, 27, 28, 32’s that are common on the bigger C&Cs. For a 34’ boat with approximate sail area of 470 sq ft, the catalog recommends a Barient 25 genoa sheet winch for cruisers, or a 27 for racers. As someone else has mentioned, the Barient winches used a different numbering system than is presently common. The current system is to use the power ratio of the winch in the lowest gear as a model number. So a Lewmar 42 2-speed winch has a power ration of about 42:1 in low gear. IIRC, that is calculated using a 10” winch handle. (The longer the handle, the more mechanical advantage you have. The average person can put about 50 pounds of effort on the winch handle when cranking. With a 10” handle, you get (10”- ½ the drum diameter) X 50 = inch pounds of torque to power the winch. An 8” winch handle – which I need to use because of obstructions near the primary winches – result in about 30% less input power.) According to the Barient catalog on L-36, the 25 has a power ratio of 44:1 with a 10 inch handle. So replacement winches in the new current system would be in the 44 range. The Power ratio of the 27 (recommended for racers) is 46:1, so that would be an appropriate size range if you are looking for easier tailing, or are using an 8” winch handle. BTW, the Barient catalog has a spec listed that they called the “Power Advantage Rating”. It is pretty much a measure of how many pounds of tension that the winch can put on the sheet when in low gear when cranked by an average person. For the 25, it is about 2300 pounds. The 27 is 2900. The 28 is 3450 even though the power ratio is lower than for the 27. And the 32 is 3950 pounds. For what it is worth, if you upgrade to the 28 winches mentioned by a couple of the others, a company called Winchmate offers a kit for conversion of the standard winch to self-tailing. Cost is about $500 per kit, so for about $1000 plus the cost of the 28 standard winches you can upgrade quite a bit. Probably for less than a pair of new self-tailing winches is going to cost. That is what I plan to do with the 28s and 32s on my 38. Rick Brass Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47 la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225 Washington, NC From: Dean McNeill via CnC-List [ <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:51 PM To: Stus-List < <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dean McNeill < <mailto:d...@deanmc.ca> d...@deanmc.ca> Subject: Stus-List C&C 34 Winch replacement Looking to replace the original Barient 25 double speed primary winches on my 1980 C&C 34 over the off season with similar sized self-tailing ones. Anyone with a similar boat find a good replacement with same or similar mounting holes that would save me some work? Really interested in what others have done and recommend. Thanks, Dean C&C 34 BarraWind Halifax, NS, Canada
