Why not install a battery combiner switch in place of the normal 3 position switch. I seem to recall Nigel calder's book suggested this approach. I put one on my 35-1 with great results serving a starting battery and a house bank of 2 deep cycle batteries.
John Maturo Ashe Baltic 39 Branford CT 203-494-6782 > On May 8, 2014, at 14:34, "via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > (Wally Bryant via CnC-List) > 2. Re: Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > (Frederick G Street via CnC-List) > 3. Re: Fuel Tank sender replacement > (Frederick G Street via CnC-List) > 4. Re: Shroud roller (Ken Heaton via CnC-List) > 5. Re: Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) > 6. Re: Shroud roller (Ron Casciato via CnC-List) > 7. Re: Shroud roller (Joel Aronson via CnC-List) > 8. Re: Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > (Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List) > 9. Re: Shroud roller (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) > 10. Re: Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > (Rich Knowles via CnC-List) > 11. Re: Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > (Michael Brown via CnC-List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 16:00:02 +0000 > From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > Message-ID: <536baa02.5040...@wbryant.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I think he meant it's not the *perfect* solution. The perfect solution > would be a separate voltage regulator for the starting battery, which > probably would mean a second alternator/charger, which just doesn't make > sense on our boats. > > I worried for a few years when I watched a fully charged starting > battery getting 14-plus volts while the house bank was still in > acceptance mode. However, the fully starting battery wasn't accepting > any amps, so it doesn't seem to matter. I've never had a problem with it. > > Wal > > you wrote: >> Can you please explain why you say the Echo Charge is not a solution? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 11:08:50 -0500 > From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > Message-ID: <63ced4b4-085c-4048-8dfe-260a21b11...@postaudio.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > I?m in the same situation as Rich ? flawless operation over several years, > and no issues. > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > >> On May 8, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Michael: Can you please explain why you say the Echo Charge is not a >> solution? I have had one on my boat for 11 years now with never a flat >> battery and no overcharging problems. Ditto all the boats I have installed >> them on. >> >> Rich > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/7d1e23c3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 11:10:33 -0500 > From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "Fair, Mike" <mike.f...@mckesson.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank sender replacement > Message-ID: <7d646fcb-eca5-4d0b-ad8d-316efd250...@postaudio.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > If I recall correctly, you?re probably looking for a 270 ohm sender. > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > >> On May 8, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Fair, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> I have tank senders in my water and fuel tanks feeding a gage at the nav >> station. The Fuel sender is failing and I want to replace it. However I >> can?t find an markings on the unit to determine the Ohm range it works with. >> >> Is there some way to measure the resistance of the working sender to >> determine which sender to order? I do have a mulitmeter. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike Fair > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/014b5a83/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:54:37 -0300 > From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>, cnc-list > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Shroud roller > Message-ID: > <caabfp6t1k651_stb8grsfxmav9vk_6bhrf3_dk-+p_rkzbv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It is a good idea to get one size oversize so they spin easily on the wire. > They don't hold moisture that way either. > > Ken H. > > > On 8 May 2014 10:33, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>wrote: > >> Also, covering SS wire leads to more corrosion. Most riggers will tell >> you not to use them. >> >> You might consider shroud rollers: >> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|118|2358491|2358503&id=161924 >> >> Joel >> 35/3 >> Annapolis >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Rich: >>> >>> Good point which is why I put a few wraps of white tape on mine on both >>> ends and in the middle so the cover can't slip open. And since it is only >>> on my babystay, I rarely grab it for an support. >>> >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2014/05/08 9:32 AM, Rich Knowles wrote: >>> >>> Just a safety note on the car cover: I had them on my C&C 27, they >>> looked right sharp! I took them off shortly after on the day I climbed on >>> board grabbing a shroud for support. The cover split open, collapsed down >>> the shroud and dumped me on my butt on the dock. Close call. Never again. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On May 8, 2014, at 9:20, Robert Abbott via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> David: >>> >>> I have a baby stay as well.....as Ken pointed out on the Binnacle site, I >>> use both the six foot length of 'cable cover' on the babystay itself and >>> then the 'turnbuckle cap cover' on the turnbuckle on the bottom. >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax. N.S. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2014/05/08 6:21 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote: >>> >>> Are looking for a cover for the cable itself like these: >>> http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Cable-covers/c28_148/index.html >>> >>> Or a cover for the turnbuckles like these (scroll down a bit to >>> "Turnbuckle Boot"): >>> http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Turnbuckles-&-Accessories/c28_147/index.html >>> >>> Ken H. >>> >>> >>> On 7 May 2014 23:08, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>wrote: >>> >>>> My boat came with white plastic tubing on the babystay, which I am told >>>> are called shroud rollers. I was told that it protects the genoa while >>>> tacking. The tubing itself is cracked in various places and I am thinking >>>> of replacing it, but can?t find anything similar online. Does anyone know >>>> a source? Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> David Knecht >>>> Aries >>>> 1990 C&C 34+ >>>> New London, CT >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/3b95992a/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:12:24 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "w...@wbryant.com" <w...@wbryant.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > Message-ID: <1f98c139-fc97-4175-a5c7-d67796aa6...@sailpower.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Is. Not the EC a voltage regulator? > > Rich > >> On May 8, 2014, at 13:00, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> I think he meant it's not the *perfect* solution. The perfect solution >> would be a separate voltage regulator for the starting battery, which >> probably would mean a second alternator/charger, which just doesn't make >> sense on our boats. >> >> I worried for a few years when I watched a fully charged starting battery >> getting 14-plus volts while the house bank was still in acceptance mode. >> However, the fully starting battery wasn't accepting any amps, so it doesn't >> seem to matter. I've never had a problem with it. >> >> Wal >> >> you wrote: >>> Can you please explain why you say the Echo Charge is not a solution? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:32:13 -0400 > From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: <kenhea...@gmail.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Shroud roller > Message-ID: <00b001cf6ae3$77dc9920$6795cb60$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We use a ?? piece of PVC pipe????.about $2.00 and wipe with acetone to remove > the plumbing printing??????.has worked great for over 10 years????? > > > > This year, we took the baby stay off. I?m just never going to be anywhere > where I?ll need it????? > > > > Ron C. > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton > via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:55 PM > To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list > Subject: Re: Stus-List Shroud roller > > > > It is a good idea to get one size oversize so they spin easily on the wire. > They don't hold moisture that way either. > > > > Ken H. > > > > On 8 May 2014 10:33, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Also, covering SS wire leads to more corrosion. Most riggers will tell you > not to use them. > > > > You might consider shroud rollers: > > http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|118|2358491|2358503 > <http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C118%7C2358491%7C2358503&id=161924> > &id=161924 > > > > Joel > > 35/3 > > Annapolis > > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Rich: > > Good point which is why I put a few wraps of white tape on mine on both ends > and in the middle so the cover can't slip open. And since it is only on my > babystay, I rarely grab it for an support. > > > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > On 2014/05/08 9:32 AM, Rich Knowles wrote: > > Just a safety note on the car cover: I had them on my C&C 27, they looked > right sharp! I took them off shortly after on the day I climbed on board > grabbing a shroud for support. The cover split open, collapsed down the > shroud and dumped me on my butt on the dock. Close call. Never again. > > > Rich > > > On May 8, 2014, at 9:20, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > David: > > I have a baby stay as well.....as Ken pointed out on the Binnacle site, I use > both the six foot length of 'cable cover' on the babystay itself and then the > 'turnbuckle cap cover' on the turnbuckle on the bottom. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax. N.S. > > > > On 2014/05/08 6:21 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote: > > Are looking for a cover for the cable itself like these: > http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Cable-covers/c28_148/index.html > > > > Or a cover for the turnbuckles like these (scroll down a bit to "Turnbuckle > Boot"): http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Turnbuckles- > <http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Turnbuckles-&-Accessories/c28_147/index.html> > &-Accessories/c28_147/index.html > > > > Ken H. > > > > On 7 May 2014 23:08, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > My boat came with white plastic tubing on the babystay, which I am told are > called shroud rollers. I was told that it protects the genoa while tacking. > The tubing itself is cracked in various places and I am thinking of replacing > it, but can?t find anything similar online. Does anyone know a source? Dave > > > > > > David Knecht > > Aries > > 1990 C&C 34+ > > New London, CT > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > > > > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 <tel:301%20541%208551> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/9cf05238/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:37:58 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Shroud roller > Message-ID: > <cael16p8ay3ym-hosfaglexywp3fp2b6zynmk55wf_kf0onq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My race crew would complain about the weight and windage from PVC! We > unclip it for the 90% of the time it is not in use. I rarely need it when > cruising, and when racing the bowman is my human roller. > > I use the plastic shroud covers on my dyneema lifelines. Otherwise, the > lifelines chafe through the jib. > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> We use a ?? piece of PVC pipe????.about $2.00 and wipe with acetone to >> remove the plumbing printing??????.has worked great for over 10 years????? >> >> >> >> This year, we took the baby stay off. I?m just never going to be anywhere >> where I?ll need it????? >> >> >> >> Ron C. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken >> Heaton via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 08, 2014 12:55 PM >> *To:* Joel Aronson; cnc-list >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Shroud roller >> >> >> >> It is a good idea to get one size oversize so they spin easily on the >> wire. They don't hold moisture that way either. >> >> >> >> Ken H. >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2014 10:33, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> Also, covering SS wire leads to more corrosion. Most riggers will tell >> you not to use them. >> >> >> >> You might consider shroud rollers: >> >> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|118|2358491|2358503&id=161924 >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> 35/3 >> >> Annapolis >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Rich: >> >> Good point which is why I put a few wraps of white tape on mine on both >> ends and in the middle so the cover can't slip open. And since it is only >> on my babystay, I rarely grab it for an support. >> >> >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2014/05/08 9:32 AM, Rich Knowles wrote: >> >> Just a safety note on the car cover: I had them on my C&C 27, they looked >> right sharp! I took them off shortly after on the day I climbed on board >> grabbing a shroud for support. The cover split open, collapsed down the >> shroud and dumped me on my butt on the dock. Close call. Never again. >> >> >> Rich >> >> >> On May 8, 2014, at 9:20, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> David: >> >> I have a baby stay as well.....as Ken pointed out on the Binnacle site, I >> use both the six foot length of 'cable cover' on the babystay itself and >> then the 'turnbuckle cap cover' on the turnbuckle on the bottom. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax. N.S. >> >> >> >> On 2014/05/08 6:21 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote: >> >> Are looking for a cover for the cable itself like these: >> http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Cable-covers/c28_148/index.html >> >> >> >> Or a cover for the turnbuckles like these (scroll down a bit to >> "Turnbuckle Boot"): >> http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Turnbuckles-&-Accessories/c28_147/index.html >> >> >> >> Ken H. >> >> >> >> On 7 May 2014 23:08, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> My boat came with white plastic tubing on the babystay, which I am told >> are called shroud rollers. I was told that it protects the genoa while >> tacking. The tubing itself is cracked in various places and I am thinking >> of replacing it, but can?t find anything similar online. Does anyone know >> a source? Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> David Knecht >> >> Aries >> >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> >> New London, CT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/3041f707/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:38:13 -0400 > From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > Message-ID: > <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e25a48...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Not exactly. It has an upper limit and a low voltage disconnect, but it does > not regulate between these too. > See > http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html > for details. > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich > Knowles via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 1:12 PM > To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > > Is. Not the EC a voltage regulator? > > Rich > >> On May 8, 2014, at 13:00, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> I think he meant it's not the *perfect* solution. The perfect solution >> would be a separate voltage regulator for the starting battery, which >> probably would mean a second alternator/charger, which just doesn't make >> sense on our boats. >> >> I worried for a few years when I watched a fully charged starting battery >> getting 14-plus volts while the house bank was still in acceptance mode. >> However, the fully starting battery wasn't accepting any amps, so it doesn't >> seem to matter. I've never had a problem with it. >> >> Wal >> >> you wrote: >>> Can you please explain why you say the Echo Charge is not a solution? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:42:32 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "kenhea...@gmail.com" <kenhea...@gmail.com>, > "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Shroud roller > Message-ID: <630f2fd6-cd28-4ca4-ad04-1aae0654a...@sailpower.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Then they're really dangerous:) > > Rich > >> On May 8, 2014, at 13:54, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> It is a good idea to get one size oversize so they spin easily on the wire. >> They don't hold moisture that way either. >> >> Ken H. >> >> >>> On 8 May 2014 10:33, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> Also, covering SS wire leads to more corrosion. Most riggers will tell you >>> not to use them. >>> >>> You might consider shroud rollers: >>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|118|2358491|2358503&id=161924 >>> >>> Joel >>> 35/3 >>> Annapolis >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> Rich: >>>> >>>> Good point which is why I put a few wraps of white tape on mine on both >>>> ends and in the middle so the cover can't slip open. And since it is >>>> only on my babystay, I rarely grab it for an support. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob Abbott >>>> AZURA >>>> C&C 32 - 84 >>>> Halifax, N.S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2014/05/08 9:32 AM, Rich Knowles wrote: >>>>> Just a safety note on the car cover: I had them on my C&C 27, they >>>>> looked right sharp! I took them off shortly after on the day I climbed >>>>> on board grabbing a shroud for support. The cover split open, collapsed >>>>> down the shroud and dumped me on my butt on the dock. Close call. Never >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> >>>>>> On May 8, 2014, at 9:20, Robert Abbott via CnC-List >>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> David: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a baby stay as well.....as Ken pointed out on the Binnacle site, >>>>>> I use both the six foot length of 'cable cover' on the babystay itself >>>>>> and then the 'turnbuckle cap cover' on the turnbuckle on the bottom. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob Abbott >>>>>> AZURA >>>>>> C&C 32 - 84 >>>>>> Halifax. N.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2014/05/08 6:21 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List wrote: >>>>>>> Are looking for a cover for the cable itself like these: >>>>>>> http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Cable-covers/c28_148/index.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or a cover for the turnbuckles like these (scroll down a bit to >>>>>>> "Turnbuckle Boot"): >>>>>>> http://us.binnacle.com/Sailboat-Hardware-Turnbuckles-&-Accessories/c28_147/index.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken H. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 May 2014 23:08, David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> My boat came with white plastic tubing on the babystay, which I am >>>>>>>> told are called shroud rollers. I was told that it protects the genoa >>>>>>>> while tacking. The tubing itself is cracked in various places and I >>>>>>>> am thinking of replacing it, but can?t find anything similar online. >>>>>>>> Does anyone know a source? Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David Knecht >>>>>>>> Aries >>>>>>>> 1990 C&C 34+ >>>>>>>> New London, CT >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joel >>> 301 541 8551 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/cd8d8358/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 15:17:11 -0300 > From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>, > "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > Message-ID: <a879cbc6-2da8-4e32-9693-57466ef4f...@sailpower.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > That's the sail net item I'm not sure about. I'm going to do some tests just > to satisfy my curiosity. Anyway, they do an excellent job of whatever they > do:) > > Rich > >> On May 8, 2014, at 14:38, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Not exactly. It has an upper limit and a low voltage disconnect, but it does >> not regulate between these too. >> See >> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/electrical-systems/72295-xantrex-echo-charger-rant.html >> for details. >> >> Joe Della Barba >> Coquina >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich >> Knowles via CnC-List >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 1:12 PM >> To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries >> >> Is. Not the EC a voltage regulator? >> >> Rich >> >>> On May 8, 2014, at 13:00, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think he meant it's not the *perfect* solution. The perfect solution >>> would be a separate voltage regulator for the starting battery, which >>> probably would mean a second alternator/charger, which just doesn't make >>> sense on our boats. >>> >>> I worried for a few years when I watched a fully charged starting battery >>> getting 14-plus volts while the house bank was still in acceptance mode. >>> However, the fully starting battery wasn't accepting any amps, so it >>> doesn't seem to matter. I've never had a problem with it. >>> >>> Wal >>> >>> you wrote: >>>> Can you please explain why you say the Echo Charge is not a solution? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 14:33:11 -0400 > From: Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca>, cnc-list Cnc-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Charging with engine, was mixed batteries > Message-ID: <3706695285-26...@mail.tkg.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hopefully wasn't being too concise. I am technical by nature and by > profession ( Electrical Engineer ) > so do tend to cover more detail than necessary sometimes. > > ?The overview of the post was for someone with an older C&C, original wiring > and alternator considering > a newer AGM large house bank. It was to point out that the design has some > significant challenges if > part of the upgrade was to have optimal bulk charging. > > ? The section that you refer to was in the context of optimal bulk charging, > which is usually done in > three stages. Given a barely discharged smaller starting battery and a > moderate or fully discharged > larger house bank the optimal charging profiles are very different. The start > battery will need a small > top off. maybe of 2 - 5 AH and a voltage of around 13.4 V for a flooded > battery. Depending of the type > of house bank, flooded - AGM - Gel, the voltage may ramp up to 14.4 V for > bulk charging. > > ? An echo charger has no control over the input side voltage, though the > smarter units will choose when > to operate and charge the battery on it's output, and may also protect a > charged battery from over current. > The better units do help, and are worth the price. They do not, in the > context of charging profiles, create > different profiles for two different batteries. If properly installed ( yes, > they can be install wrong ) in > normal use they will do exactly what you say - no flat or overcharged > starting battery. > > ? My term "solution" was in reference to providing a fast bulk charge to the > house bank, which as earlier > commented on was not what the original C&Cs were designed for. Charging rates > up to 30 amps might > be possible, but above that wiring, alternator, belt and temperature concerns > need to be considered. > > ? I see some boats that have upgraded to a high output marine alternator, > serpentine belt kit, external > three stage regulator and upgraded wiring. That is definitely a solution, > albeit may be costly. With that > setup an echo charger for the starting battery is pretty much required to get > the best life out of it. > > ? My post pointed out that the DC - DC chargers are also worth a look at, > particularly if the boat does > minimal longer trips and bulk charges a year. Less money, possibly less > rewiring. > > > ? I like the echo chargers, do a great job for the money. I was on one boat > "for a beer" and "take a > quick look" at the charging setup. Nice high end alternator with a three > stage external regulator. > Never got the batteries fully charged. Took a while to figure out but the > starter battery was connected > to the house bank when the engine was running. Took a few beers to trace > everything. I asked the > owner if he has to add water to the starter battery much. He said no, maybe a > few cups every week. > Effectively the flooded lead acid starting battery was absorbing a lot of the > charging current and > boiling away. Fixed everything with some slight re-wiring and telling the > owner to add an echo charger. > > > Rich - what brand do you use? > > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > > > Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> , 5/8/2014 10:23 AM: > Michael: Can you please explain why you say the Echo Charge is not a > solution? I have had one on my boat for 11 years now with never a flat > battery and no overcharging problems. Ditto all the boats I have installed > them on. > > Rich > > > On May 7, 2014, at 12:11, Michael Brown via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > There is no single charging profile that works when you are trying to charge > a barely discharged smaller > starting battery and a large fully discharged house battery in parallel. > > Workaround - see solutions below. Note that a Voltage Sensitive Relay or Echo > Charger can help a bit but > is not a solution. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140508/5c7dfa27/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 100, Issue 26 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
