Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

One of my auto inflate PFDs went off by itself years ago.   When I looked at 
the bobbin it was way past its service life, I was only looking to see if the 
green showed on the outside tab and was not checking the date on the bobbin.  
Halkey Roberts website ( 
http://www.halkeyroberts.com/userfiles/files/Inflation%20IFUs/IFU_V80040_B%20Rev%20A.pdf
 

 ) says the bobbins have a shelf life of 3 years and a service life of 3 years 
for recreational use.  For something approaching the end of its shelf life 
installed on a PFD that is new old stock and not knowing the conditions in 
which it was stored I think the bobbin is close to the end of its service life. 
 My annual maintenance is to verify that the bobbin is within its service life 
and blow up the PFD to see that it holds for 24 hours.  On a monthly basis I 
check that the tab is green but if it is red, you will know because the life 
jacket will have inflated.   

I’m a retired Naval Officer so I may go a bit overboard on the PFD maintenance 
but I feel better by going to this extreme.  

Sail Safe, 

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee, 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, Va


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were 
> made in October, 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a 
> 2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
> The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual inspection of the green ring in 
> the inflator dome and of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't 
> recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on the 
> bobbins.
> 
> On mine, the slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation mechanism 
> when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the 
> Velcro strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.
> 
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Leslie 
> Paal via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Leslie Paal 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
> 
> I got two of these, but not impressed.  The design (or manufacturing) has a 
> couple issues.
> - the "rip" zipper seems to me installed backward.  To check the bobbin you 
> have to undo the whole zipper because the slider is on the wrong end.
> - the manual activation cord has a very good chance to get caught on things 
> and surprise the wearer.  My other west have the activator protected from 
> accidental pull.
> 
> I suppose you get what you pay for.  I'm still think it was an OK buy, just 
> not so grand.
> 
> Leslie.
> and yes the bobbins have 2015 date.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Here's a link to a Mustang bobbin that calls for replacement of the bobbin
every three years:
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C135%7C2290066%7C2290076=66
6701.  It states that this is to prevent inadvertent inflation.  My guess is
that you could safely extend the interval since it appears that the mode of
failure is "fail-safe".  The downside is that you could waste a good CO2
cartridge and may have your PFD stuck inside a locker.  A friend just
purchased one of these PFD's since one of his actuated inside a locker.
Best to inspect the entire actuator annually.  

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI
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-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd

The maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were
made in October, 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a
2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual inspection of the green ring
in the inflator dome and of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I
don't recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on the
bobbins.

On mine, the slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation mechanism
when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the
Velcro strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, 
is it possible that the plate is part of the bracket? . Further, a plain 
bolt through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast 
to bend or collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast 
through which the bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression 
tube and bolt are directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang 
plate for the lowers is part of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the 
lowers to just a plain bolt through the mast doesn't seem advisable.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on 
my new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group 
site:

---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of 
shrouds.


The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular 
plates (port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.


I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run 
the bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of 
course).  :-)


Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M




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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

Rick,

the issue is that, according to the zipper documentation, you should NOT use 
the car to open the zipper but to 'rip' it open from the yellow area.  After 
inspecting the bobbin you need to open the full length of the zipper so you can 
now close it.

I plan to use the car to open enough to check on the bobbin

Leslie.


On Wed, 11/15/17, Rick Brass via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Rick Brass" 
 Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017, 7:40 PM
 
 The maintenance record on the two
 auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were made in October,
 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a
 2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
 The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual
 inspection of the green ring in the inflator dome and of the
 green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't recall
 an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on
 the bobbins.
 
 On mine, the
 slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation
 mechanism when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big
 improvement over the Velcro strips on the Sospenders and
 West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.
 
 Rick Brass
 Washington, NC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Leslie Paal via CnC-List
 Sent:
 Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Leslie Paal 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 
 I got two of these, but not impressed.  The
 design (or manufacturing) has a couple issues.
 - the "rip" zipper seems to me
 installed backward.  To check the bobbin you have to undo
 the whole zipper because the slider is on the wrong end.
 - the manual activation cord has a very good
 chance to get caught on things and surprise the wearer.  My
 other west have the activator protected from accidental
 pull.
 
 I suppose you get
 what you pay for.  I'm still think it was an OK buy,
 just not so grand.
 
 Leslie.
 and yes the bobbins
 have 2015 date.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

the documentation with the PDF also state 3 years service life for "us".

Leslie.


On Thu, 11/16/17, Michael Brannon via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "Michael Brannon" 
 Date: Thursday, November 16, 2017, 5:38 AM
 
 One of my
 auto inflate PFDs went off by itself years ago.   When I
 looked at the bobbin it was way past its service life, I was
 only looking to see if the green showed on the outside tab
 and was not checking the date on the bobbin.  Halkey
 Roberts website ( 
http://www.halkeyroberts.com/userfiles/files/Inflation%20IFUs/IFU_V80040_B%20Rev%20A.pdf
 )
 says the bobbins have a shelf life of 3 years and a service
 life of 3 years for recreational use.  For something
 approaching the end of its shelf life installed on a PFD
 that is new old stock and not knowing the conditions in
 which it was stored I think the bobbin is close to the end
 of its service life.  My annual maintenance is to verify
 that the bobbin is within its service life and blow up the
 PFD to see that it holds for 24 hours.  On a monthly basis
 I check that the tab is green but if it is red, you will
 know because the life jacket will have inflated.   
 I’m
 a retired Naval Officer so I may go a bit overboard on the
 PFD maintenance but I feel better by going to this extreme.
  
 
 Sail
 Safe, 
 Mike
 BrannonVirginia Lee,
 93295C 36
 CBVirginia Beach, Va
 
 
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Rick
 Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 The
 maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought
 show they were made in October, 2015. Is it possible the
 bobbins in yours are marked with a 2015 manufacturing date
 and not an expiration date?
 The maintenance for the PFDs calls for
 visual inspection of the green ring in the inflator dome and
 of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't
 recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement
 interval on the bobbins.
 
 On mine, the slider of the zipper IS
 on the end over the inflation mechanism when the zipper is
 closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the Velcro
 strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've
 bought previously.
 
 Rick Brass
 Washington, NC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Leslie Paal via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02
 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Leslie Paal 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List
 Pfd
 
 I got two of these, but not impressed.
  The design (or manufacturing) has a couple issues.
 - the "rip"
 zipper seems to me installed backward.  To check the bobbin
 you have to undo the whole zipper because the slider is on
 the wrong end.
 - the
 manual activation cord has a very good chance to get caught
 on things and surprise the wearer.  My other west have the
 activator protected from accidental pull.
 
 I suppose you get what you pay for.
  I'm still think it was an OK buy, just not so
 grand.
 
 Leslie.
 and yes the bobbins have 2015 date.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Removing - hammer and good aim
Installing - lots of braces and weights

Any particular concerns?

Joh

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> Does anyone out there have any tips on removing and replacing windows on a 
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Re: Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Joking aside I’m kind of surprised you have the issue on a 2004.  Much smaller 
windows than the Niagra boats.  Cracking or just glazed and ugly looking?

John


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> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
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> Removing - hammer and good aim
> Installing - lots of braces and weights
> 
> Any particular concerns?
> 
> Joh
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>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List 
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>> Does anyone out there have any tips on removing and replacing windows on a 
>> 2004 C vintage sailboat
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Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Does anyone out there have any tips on removing and replacing windows on a
2004 C vintage sailboat

 

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Re: Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Glazed over may come back but don’t look great now

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> On Nov 16, 2017, at 9:25 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Joking aside I’m kind of surprised you have the issue on a 2004.  Much 
> smaller windows than the Niagra boats.  Cracking or just glazed and ugly 
> looking?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Removing - hammer and good aim
>> Installing - lots of braces and weights
>> 
>> Any particular concerns?
>> 
>> Joh
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone out there have any tips on removing and replacing windows on a 
>>> 2004 C vintage sailboat
>>>  
>>> Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Can’t imagine that to be the case.  The bolt would be several bolts in the 
first good breeze.  it would shear right off.  I suspect the po planned to 
install a different mast fitting but that is only my guess.

John


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> On Nov 16, 2017, at 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1. 
> In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
> I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my new 
> boat.
> Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
> ---
> Greetings,
> My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of shrouds.
> The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.
> The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates 
> (port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.
> I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the bolt 
> directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)
> Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.
> Cheers,
> --Bob M
> 
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Re: Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C

[David Morrison via CnC-List]

here is a great video on how to replace portlights...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQyjxVUskd8he also has one on how to cut the makrolon here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hav2sUGeoHI--Dave1980 C 40Pequonnock Yacht ClubNew Haven, CT


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Subject: Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C
From: Rod Stright 
Date: Thu, November 16, 2017 7:39 pm
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Does anyone out there have any tips on removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C vintage sailboat ThanksRod C 99 Virus-free. www.avast.com



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Re: Stus-List Removing and replacing windows on a 2004 C

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Yes, have the same issue on the 121.  Tried a light fine sanding last spring 
but it had minimal impact.  I think we need to treat exactly as cloudy 
headlights on a car but need to do more research.  If it ain’t leaking I’m not 
inclined to replace.

John


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> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List  
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> 
> Glazed over may come back but don’t look great now
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 9:25 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Joking aside I’m kind of surprised you have the issue on a 2004.  Much 
>> smaller windows than the Niagra boats.  Cracking or just glazed and ugly 
>> looking?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 8:14 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Removing - hammer and good aim
>>> Installing - lots of braces and weights
>>> 
>>> Any particular concerns?
>>> 
>>> Joh
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 16, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 
 Does anyone out there have any tips on removing and replacing windows on a 
 2004 C vintage sailboat
  
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Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my
new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of
shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the
bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M
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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I can't exactly see how it wouldn't be right.  Its relatively easy to find
the sheer strength of what ever sized bolt it is but I would expect (since
it is supporting 2 shrouds on each side) that the bolt is at least one size
larger than the pins used on the deck fittings.  My MacGregor 26C used a
single 3/8ths bolt to through bolt the tangs on the lower shrouds and the
brackets which hold the spreaders.  As I recall I was tensioning the
shrouds to 1000 lbs.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Nov 16, 2017 9:25 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my
new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of
shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the
bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M




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