Re: Stus-List teak wood to the cockpit

[T power via CnC-List]

Im about to do the same thing. Would butyl tape work?

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Good question.  I always put some caulking to prevent any moisture from seeping 
through the screw holes.

Frank


On Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:56 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Just taken some teak off a vertical surface. Varnished them and they look 
great. Do I need to use a caulking to attach them back? Can I just screw them 
back?
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Re: Stus-List teak wood to the cockpit

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

Good question.  I always put some caulking to prevent any moisture from seeping 
through the screw holes.
Frank 

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:56 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List 
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 Just taken some teak off a vertical surface. Varnished them and they look 
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Re: Stus-List paint off our hull

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I'd try a 3M Stripe Off Wheel.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Stripe-Off-Wheel/dp/B072T66N3P

Make sure it has the mandrel.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> we had an excursion with a fish boat and we have a few paint scars to
> show. How can I get the paint off? I have been told that paint stripper is
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Re: Stus-List paint off our hull

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

If the hull is gel coat, use rubbing compound, and then wax to seal the gel
coat.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:06 PM, G Collins via CnC-List <
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> Is your hull gelcoat or painted?  If gelcoat I'd try acetone.  Wear gloves!
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
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> On 2017-09-07 7:57 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List wrote:
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Re: Stus-List paint off our hull

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Is your hull gelcoat or painted?  If gelcoat I'd try acetone.  Wear gloves!

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-09-07 7:57 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List wrote:
we had an excursion with a fish boat and we have a few paint scars to show. How 
can I get the paint off? I have been told that paint stripper is not suitable.



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Stus-List paint off our hull

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we had an excursion with a fish boat and we have a few paint scars to show. How 
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Stus-List teak wood to the cockpit

[Bev Parslow via CnC-List]

Just taken some teak off a vertical surface. Varnished them and they look 
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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 2:39 PM Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Cruising Compass has a before and after view of the picture of Parquita
> Bay on the south side of Tortola.
>
>
>
> There is also a link to YouTube videos of the damage to St. Martin.
>
>
>
> Here is a link: http://www.bwsailing.com/cc/
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> The infrastructure for yachting will be back in the BVI and Texas long
> before New Orleans rebuilds the Municipal Yacht Harbor.
>

Ed Levert
C 34 Briarpatch
New Orleans

>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Randal
> Stafford via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 7, 2017 10:51 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Randal Stafford 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola
>
>
>
> This is a sad picture:
> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg
>
>
>
> Sadly,
>
> Randy
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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Cruising Compass has a before and after view of the picture of Parquita Bay
on the south side of Tortola.

 

There is also a link to YouTube videos of the damage to St. Martin.

 

Here is a link: http://www.bwsailing.com/cc/

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 10:51 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randal Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

 

This is a sad picture:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_
piled_up_as_the_eye_of_Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915
.jpg

 

Sadly,

Randy

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Stus-List C 35 MK3 for sale

[Dave via CnC-List]

Fellow C owners, 

After sailing her for 4 years Saltaire, my 1984 C 35 MK3 is going up for 
sale. 

Since I've owned her I've added the following; 

2014 
Rod Rigging 
Quantum Sails Main 
Quantum Sails 135% 

2015 
Raymarine aSeries Chart Plotter, GPS and Depth 
Raymarine i50 Speed 
Raymarine i60 Wind instrument 
NMEA2000 Network 
Pressure hot and cold water 
Bottom stripped, new barrier coat and paint 
Transmission rebuilt 
Port lights replaced 

2016 
145% North 3D Headsail 
2 blade FlexFold prop 

Next purchases would be new North racing main and new traveler cars. 

Saltaire, located in Bristol RI sails beautifully and is very competitive at 
her cruising class rating of 149. There are 3 spinnakers that unfortunately 
I've not used but appear to be in very good condition. Asking price is $34K. If 
anyone on the list is interested please let me know. 

Dave J 
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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Lisle,

When I bought my 30-1 I’d mostly sailed only J/22s, Capri 22s, and a Merit 25 
for about five years beforehand (other people’s boats).  Plus a couple 
week-long charters on a Beneteau 505 and a Jenneau 45 in St. Vincent and the 
Grenadines (captained charters, but I helmed all week).  And a Bavaria 46 for 
my ASA-104 course.  I didn’t consider myself a total beginner, but the first 
time I stood at the helm of the 30-1 I was considering buying, she sure looked 
a lot bigger than the little 22-footers I was used to.

For my home waters (Chatfield Reservoir in Colorado), I wanted something in the 
25-30 foot range, with enough accommodations below to weekend on comfortably.  
But I also wanted a performance-oriented boat, not a dog of a cruiser, because 
I race at least once a week April through October.  Then this spinnaker-rigged 
30-1 popped up on the market in Colorado, amazingly, and it was the perfect 
boat for me.  Plus it came with an awesome community on an email list! :)

I guess my message is don’t be afraid.  Yes, the first time I drove her into a 
slip, I was nervous.  Not so much because of her size (I’d docked the Bavaria 
46 and anchored / moored the Jenneau 45 before), but because she was my boat 
and I didn’t want to damage her.  But you learn quickly how to handle her, in a 
variety of wind conditions.  And I don’t know about the 30 MK II, but the 30 MK 
I has a reputation for being famously stiff (the marketing brochures say 
“forgiving” and “easy to sail”).  I’ve found that to be true.  Single-handing 
under full sail is no problem in light wind.  I’ve left and returned to dock 
under sail power with her.  And even with a 150% genoa up, it takes 20 knots to 
generate hard weather helm, and more than that to round up or get a rail wet.

Other listers have given good advice - buy the boat you want.  Don’t compromise 
on something temporary, and don’t be afraid.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


> On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the replies, very helpful as I think (obsess) over the boat 
> options. 
> 
> I'm torn between the Pearson 27 and the C 30. As noted, the 30 is a much 
> bigger boat and maybe not the best choice for a beginnner?
> 
> My goal/plan is to learn her over the next 5-8 years on Lake Ontario and 
> Seneca lake, and then consider taking her down for longer trips down the east 
> coast cruising once the kids get older (currently 6 and 4). I'm thinking the 
> C would clearly better meet that long term fantasy. 
> 
> I could start with the 27 then if it works out could move up in 5-8 years but 
> wonder if it would be better to grow into a boat rather than grow out of one.
> 
> Thanks again for your replies.
> 
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 Jack, I stayed at Gulfport marina on a charter a couple of years ago; really 
liked the place!  We did see a few hulls and other borderline boats in the 
anchorage in front of the casino area...;

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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From: Jack Brennan via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jack Brennan 
Sent: Thu, Sep 7, 2017 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola




And just when my boat insurance premiums were starting to go down ...
 
The boat slaughter is going to be in places like the Keys, Biscayne Bay andWest 
Palm Beach, where lots of boats are hanging on moorings or even justanchors. 
There just aren’t that many places to hide. The few hurricane holes areso 
crowded that one loose boat can play havoc.
 
Other places, like Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton and North Miami, most boatsare 
kept at private docks behind homes. Those offer pretty good to 
excellentprotection.
 
Where I am, over on the west coast, there are many free anchorages whereboats 
are just hanging on anchors. Even if we just get the edge of Irma, aspredicted, 
the shorelines will be cluttered with sailboats, many of them junkersthat 
near-homeless people were living on.
 
Luckily, my marina in Gulfport, Fl., is a hurricane hole.
 
Jack Brennan
Former C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl. (In the cone of danger, just barely.)

 



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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

And just when my boat insurance premiums were starting to go down ...

The boat slaughter is going to be in places like the Keys, Biscayne Bay and 
West Palm Beach, where lots of boats are hanging on moorings or even just 
anchors. There just aren’t that many places to hide. The few hurricane holes 
are so crowded that one loose boat can play havoc.

Other places, like Fort Lauderdale, Boca Raton and North Miami, most boats are 
kept at private docks behind homes. Those offer pretty good to excellent 
protection.

Where I am, over on the west coast, there are many free anchorages where boats 
are just hanging on anchors. Even if we just get the edge of Irma, as 
predicted, the shorelines will be cluttered with sailboats, many of them 
junkers that near-homeless people were living on.

Luckily, my marina in Gulfport, Fl., is a hurricane hole.

Jack Brennan
Former C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl. (In the cone of danger, just barely.)





From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

yachtsalvage.com will have a lot of new listings in the coming months.

Bad time to charter in the Caribbean.  I read that the photo was The Moorings 
fleet in the BVIs.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Time to go shopping for a slightly-used cat…   :^(

  — Fred


  Fred Street -- Minneapolis
  S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

This is a sad picture: 
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg

Sadly,
Randy

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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Sad.

Looks like New Orleans Municipal Harbor after Katrina.  They still haven't
rebuilt the harbor.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is a sad picture: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/
> 43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_
> Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg
>
> Sadly,
> Randy
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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

yachtsalvage.com will have a lot of new listings in the coming months.

Bad time to charter in the Caribbean.  I read that the photo was The
Moorings fleet in the BVIs.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Time to go shopping for a slightly-used cat…   :^(
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> This is a sad picture: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/
> 43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_
> Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg
>
> Sadly,
> Randy
>
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Re: Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Time to go shopping for a slightly-used cat…   :^(

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a sad picture: 
> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg
>  
> 
> 
> Sadly,
> Randy
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Stus-List Irma's Impact on Tortola

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

This is a sad picture: 
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/07/11/43FCB37F0578-4861184-Boats_piled_up_as_the_eye_of_Hurricane_Irma_passed_over_Tortola_-a-4_1504778890915.jpg
 


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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We did 20-24-26-30-36-35.
Back then boats sold fast at a profit. We made money on every single move up ☺
Now – not so much. Selling an old boat is hard and buying one is easy. Buy what 
you need now and skip all the expenses of buying and selling twice.

Joe
Coquina
Ps – exactly right about systems. Once you have an inboard, water, stove, etc. 
etc. no huge difference between boats like there is from an outboard powered 
boat with an icebox and a bucket


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PETER OCAMPO 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: PETER OCAMPO 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

I started sailing 6 years ago went from a Catalina 22 to an oday 25  then j24 
to a c 40 now I have the best of both worlds. Cruising and performance

 to get more practice I crewed on a j105 j44 and beneteau 456 (this owner 
started w this boat his wife told him to go big and from what I was told he 
never sailed prior to the 456)

I actually find the C easier to dock and grab a mooring.   I did take a 
docking class prior to getting the C which  I found invaluable

The expense is substantially more but the comfort at sea and on he hook at 
jewel island  is well worth it

My C is a complete project so I went the route of future projects rather then 
all done  due to cost the list has been a great help in various projects

Don't be afraid of a larger boat

Peter
Goonie island
Portland me

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On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:31 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Thats good advice.  We started in a 22 moved to a 34 4 years later and then a 
40 in 4 more years.  Go as big as you are comfortable then go bigger!  Lol



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From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>
Date: 9/6/17 9:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
>
Cc: Marek Dziedzic >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

If I may suggest, don’t buy a boat that is too small. It is not easy to sell 
your boat (for the money it is worth) to upgrade to a few feet more. Buy the 
boat you want to have. I don’t think sailing a 30 is that much different (more 
difficult) than a 27.

Not to mention that a Pearson would never look as good as a C (-;).

Marek

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From: Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 22:17
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD
Subject: Stus-List Was considering C 25

Thanks for all the replies, very helpful as I think (obsess) over the boat 
options. 

I'm torn between the Pearson 27 and the C 30. As noted, the 30 is a much 
bigger boat and maybe not the best choice for a beginnner?

My goal/plan is to learn her over the next 5-8 years on Lake Ontario and Seneca 
lake, and then consider taking her down for longer trips down the east coast 
cruising once the kids get older (currently 6 and 4). I'm thinking the C 
would clearly better meet that long term fantasy.

I could start with the 27 then if it works out could move up in 5-8 years but 
wonder if it would be better to grow into a boat rather than grow out of one.

Thanks again for your replies.

Lisle
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Re: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

+1 on the 30-1. I've had ours for 24 years now and am still happy.

 

Gary

1980 #593 

 

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Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30

 

A C 30  > than a Pearson 27 and perhaps a 30. The C 30 MK I is very much
a "real boat" capable of major offshore work if you ever want to do it.

Given the depressed boat market, I see no reason to go smaller than you
need. 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 5:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Cleverboy  >
Subject: Re: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30

 

Hi Lisle;

I acquired my C 30 MK1 last year. I love it. My Destrier is practically
all original with no self tailing winches or roller furling headsail. Part
of it's charm to me. The only issue beyond my ability is that mine came with
a couple of soft spots. Especially the cockpit sole where PO installed a
handpump. Plenty of room below for 4 with over 6' of headroom. Stands up to
almost anything you would choose to sail in. 

Charles Ferrari

Bronx, NY

C 30 MK1

Destrier

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From: CnC-List  > on behalf of Lisle Kingery, PhD via
CnC-List  >
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 8:40:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD
Subject: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30 

 

Hi all,

 

Update: I looked at the C and although it appeared to be a basically
solid boat, it feels a bit too small for a family of 4 and the headroom was
a bit low. I'm hearing a lot of "3-foot-itis" stories from sellers I'm
speaking with. So the search goes on. I've found an interesting 1987 Pearson
27 that looks promising, here is the link:

 

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bod/d/1987-pearson-27-2-sailboat/6281575540
.html

 

The one issue with the Pearson is that apparently it got struck by another
boat on the port bow side that required some repair. 

 

Also, I'm going to see a 1987 C 30 later today that looks promising. Link
here:

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/C%26C-30-3079275/Rochester/NY/United-St
ates#.Wa-z9MiGNPY

 

Can someone with a C 30' tell me how large the v-birth actually is and
share any experience with the idea of a beginner sailor staring with a boat
like this?

 

thanks,

 

Lisle

 

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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

[PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List]

I started sailing 6 years ago went from a Catalina 22 to an oday 25  then j24 
to a c 40 now I have the best of both worlds. Cruising and performance 

 to get more practice I crewed on a j105 j44 and beneteau 456 (this owner 
started w this boat his wife told him to go big and from what I was told he 
never sailed prior to the 456)

I actually find the C easier to dock and grab a mooring.   I did take a 
docking class prior to getting the C which  I found invaluable 

The expense is substantially more but the comfort at sea and on he hook at 
jewel island  is well worth it 

My C is a complete project so I went the route of future projects rather then 
all done  due to cost the list has been a great help in various projects 

Don't be afraid of a larger boat 

Peter
Goonie island 
Portland me

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> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:31 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thats good advice.  We started in a 22 moved to a 34 4 years later and then a 
> 40 in 4 more years.  Go as big as you are comfortable then go bigger!  Lol
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> Date: 9/6/17 9:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25
> 
> If I may suggest, don’t buy a boat that is too small. It is not easy to sell 
> your boat (for the money it is worth) to upgrade to a few feet more. Buy the 
> boat you want to have. I don’t think sailing a 30 is that much different 
> (more difficult) than a 27.
>  
> Not to mention that a Pearson would never look as good as a C (-;).
>  
> Marek
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 22:17
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD
> Subject: Stus-List Was considering C 25
>  
> Thanks for all the replies, very helpful as I think (obsess) over the boat 
> options. 
> 
> I'm torn between the Pearson 27 and the C 30. As noted, the 30 is a much 
> bigger boat and maybe not the best choice for a beginnner?
> 
> My goal/plan is to learn her over the next 5-8 years on Lake Ontario and 
> Seneca lake, and then consider taking her down for longer trips down the east 
> coast cruising once the kids get older (currently 6 and 4). I'm thinking the 
> C would clearly better meet that long term fantasy. 
> 
> I could start with the 27 then if it works out could move up in 5-8 years but 
> wonder if it would be better to grow into a boat rather than grow out of one.
> 
> Thanks again for your replies.
> 
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25 - starting small or not

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

No question, the effort (I mean time and money) to upkeep a bigger boat is 
proportional to a square of LOA, but the ease of maintenance disappears at 
around 24-25 ft. (i.e. once you have to deal with an inboard engine and all the 
systems (plumbing, electrical, etc.), the difference is not that much. 
Certainly not much between a 27 and 30. For me the move from 24 to 27 was big, 
but I don’t see much difference between my 27 and a friend’s 34 on which I sail 
often enough and I help on occasion maintaining.

I still maintain – buy the boat you want (target boat); don’t buy a temporary 
solution.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON
(temporarily just S of Lunenburg, NS

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 10:05
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25 - starting small or not

We started with a c designed P23.  It was in our budget – barely.  Wupfraded 
after to years to Hinterhoelelr built Niagara 26 a year later.  Likely should 
have started with the 26.  Next was a J27 so that we could get some performance 
(7 years later).  Another 7 years and our current 33.

The small boats are so cheap that you can donate them to a charity when done 
and buy a bigger boat almost easier than selling them.  The learning in the 
smaller boats was invaluable.  Bigger boats require you to be a mechanic, 
electrician and plumber on top of all the other learning.  The bigger boats are 
nice for staying aboard

One thing I have noted is that the end of 2 ft itis  often ends with a large 
investment in a boat that may not be used enough to justify it.  This boats 
then go up for sale and that is the end of sailing for many people.

Mike
Persistence

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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25 - starting small or not

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

We started with a c designed P23.  It was in our budget – barely.  Wupfraded 
after to years to Hinterhoelelr built Niagara 26 a year later.  Likely should 
have started with the 26.  Next was a J27 so that we could get some performance 
(7 years later).  Another 7 years and our current 33.

The small boats are so cheap that you can donate them to a charity when done 
and buy a bigger boat almost easier than selling them.  The learning in the 
smaller boats was invaluable.  Bigger boats require you to be a mechanic, 
electrician and plumber on top of all the other learning.  The bigger boats are 
nice for staying aboard

One thing I have noted is that the end of 2 ft itis  often ends with a large 
investment in a boat that may not be used enough to justify it.  This boats 
then go up for sale and that is the end of sailing for many people.

Mike
Persistence

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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Thats good advice.  We started in a 22 moved to a 34 4 years later and then a 
40 in 4 more years.  Go as big as you are comfortable then go bigger!  Lol


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/6/17  9:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: "Lisle Kingery, 
PhD via CnC-List"  Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25 




If I may suggest, don’t buy a boat that is too small. It is not easy to sell 
your boat (for the money it is worth) to upgrade to a few feet more. Buy the 
boat you want to have. I don’t think sailing a 30 is that much different (more 
difficult)
 than a 27.
 
Not to mention that a Pearson would never look as good as a C (-;).
 
Marek 
 
Sent from 
Mail for Windows 10
 

From: Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 22:17

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD

Subject: Stus-List Was considering C 25

 


Thanks for all the replies, very helpful as I think (obsess) over the boat 
options. 



I'm torn between the Pearson 27 and the C 30. As noted, the 30 is a much 
bigger boat and maybe not the best choice for a beginnner?



My goal/plan is to learn her over the next 5-8 years on Lake Ontario and Seneca 
lake, and then consider taking her down for longer trips down the east coast 
cruising once the kids get older (currently 6 and 4). I'm thinking the C 
would clearly
 better meet that long term fantasy. 



I could start with the 27 then if it works out could move up in 5-8 years but 
wonder if it would be better to grow into a boat rather than grow out of one.



Thanks again for your replies.



Lisle

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Re: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Don’t get hung up on the LOA. As long as the boat is properly rigged, you can 
sail it. I knew a guy who singlehanded a 90 foot sailboat!
Joe
Coquina

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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 7:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chad Osmond 
Subject: Re: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30

Hi, we've had two adults in the berth, 5'10 and 6'2.. it was a tad tight but 
not horrible.

The boat itself is big enough that couples do live aboard, we had a couple on 
our last dock living aboard.

As a new sailer, learning on a 30-2, I'd say it's good to learn on, we had no 
issues going from our training boat to our 30-2. There is enough space to enjoy 
and the walk through transom is one of the features we wanted on the boat.

After 1.5 seasons of learning I am happy with the boat. It's easy for 2 people 
to handle or 1 with autopilot.



On Sep 6, 2017 4:41 AM, "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
Hi all,

Update: I looked at the C and although it appeared to be a basically solid 
boat, it feels a bit too small for a family of 4 and the headroom was a bit 
low. I'm hearing a lot of "3-foot-itis" stories from sellers I'm speaking with. 
So the search goes on. I've found an interesting 1987 Pearson 27 that looks 
promising, here is the link:

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bod/d/1987-pearson-27-2-sailboat/6281575540.html

The one issue with the Pearson is that apparently it got struck by another boat 
on the port bow side that required some repair.

Also, I'm going to see a 1987 C 30 later today that looks promising. Link 
here:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/C%26C-30-3079275/Rochester/NY/United-States#.Wa-z9MiGNPY

Can someone with a C 30' tell me how large the v-birth actually is and share 
any experience with the idea of a beginner sailor staring with a boat like this?

thanks,

Lisle


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Re: Stus-List was considering C 25, now Pearson 27 or C 30

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

Hi, we've had two adults in the berth, 5'10 and 6'2.. it was a tad tight
but not horrible.

The boat itself is big enough that couples do live aboard, we had a couple
on our last dock living aboard.

As a new sailer, learning on a 30-2, I'd say it's good to learn on, we had
no issues going from our training boat to our 30-2. There is enough space
to enjoy and the walk through transom is one of the features we wanted on
the boat.

After 1.5 seasons of learning I am happy with the boat. It's easy for 2
people to handle or 1 with autopilot.



On Sep 6, 2017 4:41 AM, "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Update: I looked at the C and although it appeared to be a basically
> solid boat, it feels a bit too small for a family of 4 and the headroom was
> a bit low. I'm hearing a lot of "3-foot-itis" stories from sellers I'm
> speaking with. So the search goes on. I've found an interesting 1987
> Pearson 27 that looks promising, here is the link:
>
> https://rochester.craigslist.org/bod/d/1987-pearson-27-2-
> sailboat/6281575540.html
>
> The one issue with the Pearson is that apparently it got struck by another
> boat on the port bow side that required some repair.
>
> Also, I'm going to see a 1987 C 30 later today that looks promising.
> Link here:
>
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/C%26C-30-3079275/
> Rochester/NY/United-States#.Wa-z9MiGNPY
>
> Can someone with a C 30' tell me how large the v-birth actually is and
> share any experience with the idea of a beginner sailor staring with a boat
> like this?
>
> thanks,
>
> Lisle
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Was considering C 25

[schiller via CnC-List]

We were similar.  We started out with a 1969 Southcoast 23 as our first 
keel boat.  We decides that we needed a little bigger boat when we 
needed to raise sails to get out if the harbor in South Haven, Michigan 
because the 4.5 HP outboard couldn't overcome the waves to go out and 
turn around.  We were looking at Catalina 30's when a friend told us 
about a Redwing 35 to go look at.  Standing at the wheel, we figured 
that the bow must be in a different zip code.  Our immediate thought was 
that docking was going to look like Forrest Gump.  We bought the bought 
and kept her for 21 years.  We picked up the boat in Holland and moved 
her to South Haven without even anyone showing us how to start her or 
run any of the systems.  We never regretted buying bigger than we were 
planning.  We learned a lot with Corsair and look forward to our new 
adventures with Grace.


Buy the boat that feels comfortable.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35, Mark III, #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan

On 9/6/2017 9:59 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Lisle,

I started with a 27 foot sailboat.  Then I moved up to my 35.  My 
gosh!  It was big!  The bow pulpit was in the next area code.  How in 
the world could I ever handle such a monster?


That lasted a week or so.  Go big or go home!

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Thanks for all the replies, very helpful as I think (obsess) over
the boat options. 

I'm torn between the Pearson 27 and the C 30. As noted, the 30
is a much bigger boat and maybe not the best choice for a beginnner?

My goal/plan is to learn her over the next 5-8 years on Lake
Ontario and Seneca lake, and then consider taking her down for
longer trips down the east coast cruising once the kids get older
(currently 6 and 4). I'm thinking the C would clearly better
meet that long term fantasy.

I could start with the 27 then if it works out could move up in
5-8 years but wonder if it would be better to grow into a boat
rather than grow out of one.

Thanks again for your replies.

Lisle

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