Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue > Safety Blankets ?

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

I have a couple of those silver “space” blankets on board just for this purpose 
– though have never used or tested them.  

 

Cheap sleeping bags are a great idea – also good for those evenings when some 
guests might not have prepared for how cool it can get out on the water.  

 

Brian 

 

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Just get a 2-3 cheap sleeping bags from Walmart or Academy Sports.  $10-15 in 
nice stuff sacks.  We have several on Touche'.

Dennis C.

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Well Done!

You were the right guy at the right time. 

I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year long 
and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self inflating 
PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the blanket. I need to 
add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.

Thanks for sharing. 
  
Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thanks Gary and all. No, my stern pulpit does not have a gate. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:41:23 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling 



Outstanding job, Randy. 



A question, does your stern pulpit have a gate? Mine has a gate across the 
middle section, so the job of getting someone aboard is easier. And we have 
found (we did a couple of trials with the life sling years ago) that the line 
can get tangled in the case and come out in a lump – so checking it every so 
often is a good idea (like Dennis says). 



Gary 

30-1 also 




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That's about what I did. Whether correct or not, it worked. Fortunately these 
people were conscious and able enough to grab and hold the line, and climb the 
swim ladder once we pulled them to the boat. The one guy who flopped in the 
cockpit incoherent afterward made it on pure adrenaline we think. The other guy 
was more composed once he recovered a bit, and realized how close they'd come 
to drowning. The girl who went below was totally traumatized, more or less in 
shock. We got the first guy by himself. We got the other two at the same time - 
dragged the line by them and they both hung on. One other lesson - wear gloves 
if possible. That life sling line is waxy and sharp. My crew got cuts and 
blisters from it pulling those people in. 





Cheers, 


Randy 



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling 





I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong? 





-- 
Jonathan 
Indigo C 35III 
SOUTHPORT CT 





> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach. 






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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Outstanding job, Randy. 

 

A question, does your stern pulpit have a gate? Mine has a gate across the 
middle section, so the job of getting someone aboard is easier. And we have 
found (we did a couple of trials with the life sling years ago) that the line 
can get tangled in the case and come out in a lump – so checking it every so 
often is a good idea (like Dennis says).

 

Gary 

30-1 also

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

 

That's about what I did.  Whether correct or not, it worked.  Fortunately these 
people were conscious and able enough to grab and hold the line, and climb the 
swim ladder once we pulled them to the boat.  The one guy who flopped in the 
cockpit incoherent afterward made it on pure adrenaline we think.  The other 
guy was more composed once he recovered a bit, and realized how close they'd 
come to drowning.  The girl who went below was totally traumatized, more or 
less in shock.  We got the first guy by himself.  We got the other two at the 
same time - dragged the line by them and they both hung on.  One other lesson - 
wear gloves if possible.  That life sling line is waxy and sharp.  My crew got 
cuts and blisters from it pulling those people in.

 

Cheers,

Randy

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

 

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong?

 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

 

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach.

 


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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

My lifesling came with a 5:1 block and tackle that stows in the bag with the 
sling.  You need to put an eye (using a cow hitch to form a loop) about 3 feet 
up from the sling to give you an attachment point for the block and tackle's 
shackle.  The other end of the tackle attaches to a spare halyard which needs 
to be fed to a sufficiently large winch to hoist a fatigued swimmer over 
lifelines an onto the deck.
As Randy pointed out, in large waves, don't assume a MOB will be able to use a 
swim ladder that is being hurled 3-4' up and down in a seaway.
One last tip, when you're performing these tasks, make sure you and you crew 
also are wearing PFDs.
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
Padanaram, MA
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> On Jun 13, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> First, great job Randy. I only wish all of us would do at least as good a job 
> as you did.
>  
> Jonathan, even at zero speed, the boat would be blown away from anyone in the 
> water. We only think we can swim that fast. Additionally, you would have a 
> trouble to try staying in one spot (unless you have a full set of bow and 
> stern thrusters).
>  
> And to all of us – we should practice for that. I do tie off the Life Sling 
> to the pushpit, but I guess, I should deploy it on occasion. If nothing else, 
> to see how big the circle this should be. And it would help if we practice on 
> occasion in adverse conditions. The problem is that you have to convince the 
> Admiral or the crew to do the drills (rather than having fun).
>  
> Btw. Randy, at least theoretically, you could use the Sling to lift people 
> out water (e.g. using the main tackle and the main halyard).
>  
> Thanks for sharing
>  
> Marek
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling
>  
> I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a 
> fairly large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of 
> anchor and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat 
> needing to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the 
> line we should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got 
> it wrong?
> 
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
> 
> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> > person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> > within reach.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Aw heck, Richard, I'm sorry you're having to deal with that. I realized after 
the fact it would have been terrible to see one or more of those three people 
go underwater and not come back up. I confirmed with them several times that 
there were only three people on board and no dogs etc. I hope you can come to 
peace with the idea that you probably did everything you could reasonably do at 
the time and under the circumstances, and it wasn't your fault they got into 
that predicament in the first place. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River about 
three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the only boat 
near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four teenagers; no one 
wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a ferocious current 
running; my wife and I were on my C 29 and threw life jackets, boat cushions 
and anything that would float at them, we rescued five of them and one adult 
nod not make it; the rescue was made even more difficult because the teenager 
only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't! The Police and rescue gave my wife and I a 
commendation award, but I am still haunted by not getting every one safely on 
board... 

Richard 
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 


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Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm 
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ke

Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Aliant via CnC-List]

Here in Nova Scotia, water temperatures of 50-60's is a balmy summer day! 

Wayne Anstey
1974 30 mk1, Resilience
Halifax, NS, Canada

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> On Jun 13, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well Done!
> 
> You were the right guy at the right time. 
> 
> I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year 
> long and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self 
> inflating PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the blanket. 
> I need to add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.
> 
> Thanks for sharing. 
>   
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List]

Very interesting thread. I'm reasonably sure I would get my MOB back to the
boat (and we do practice, although not often enough) but am not at all sure
that I could get them back on board my 24, and believe the stats about
survival in colder waters. I have read that hoisting someone out in the
horse collar could collapse their lungs and kill them. On a larger boat
there is a triangular gear that you can lower on a halyard, slide the
person in and hoist aboard, with netting that allows water to drain away.
Or use a foresail. In fact I bought one but after a dockside dry test we
concluded that it would need a number of people to carry it out and as I
usually solo or have only two crew it isn't really an option. Maybe better
success in rescuing people from another boat, as is the subject here.

Lastly, if you do get someone back on board and they are cold you do indeed
get them to strip off and dry but I believe that in a severe case the only
way to heat them up is to strip off yourself and get in the sleeping bag
with them. I suppose that in the emergency modesty would fall by the
wayside!

Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River
> about three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the
> only boat near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four
> teenagers; no one wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a
> ferocious current running; my wife and I were on my C 29 and threw life
> jackets, boat cushions and anything that would float at them, we rescued
> five of them and one adult nod not make it; the rescue was made even more
> difficult because the teenager only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't!The
> Police and rescue gave my wife  and I a commendation award, but I am still
> haunted by not getting every one safely on board...
>
> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
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> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
>
> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no oth

Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River about 
three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the only boat 
near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four teenagers; no one 
wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a ferocious current 
running; my wife and I were on my C 29 and threw life jackets, boat cushions 
and anything that would float at them, we rescued five of them and one adult 
nod not make it; the rescue was made even more difficult because the teenager 
only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't!The Police and rescue gave my wife  and 
I a commendation award, but I am still haunted by not getting every one safely 
on board...  

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue



Just a little story to share with you all.


Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.


Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.


Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.


Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.


Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.


It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.


After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.


Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

The sleeping bags are a great idea, but have your people towel off before 
getting in and they will warm up much faster. 


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Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:10:17 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Just get a 2-3 cheap sleeping bags from Walmart or Academy Sports. $10-15 in 
nice stuff sacks. We have several on Touche'. 

Dennis C. 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Well Done! 

You were the right guy at the right time. 

I made a mental note about the blanket. Down in Georgia we sail all year long 
and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self inflating 
PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the blanket. I need to 
add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag. 

Thanks for sharing. 

Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 



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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Great story. Thanks for sharing. You are a true hero. You saved three lives!! 

I keep a Lifesling tied off to a stern cleat. I need to practice with it next 
time at the boat. 

Thanks, 
Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:17:49 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Just get a 2-3 cheap sleeping bags from Walmart or Academy Sports.  $10-15
in nice stuff sacks.  We have several on Touche'.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well Done!
>
> You were the right guy at the right time.
>
> I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year
> long and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self
> inflating PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the
> blanket. I need to add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

The bigger the circle, the more times you'll have to circle the victim
before the Lifesling gets close to him.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a
> fairly large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort
> of anchor and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the
> boat needing to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped
> the line we should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have
> I got it wrong?
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
> within reach.
>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

First, great job Randy. I only wish all of us would do at least as good a job 
as you did.

Jonathan, even at zero speed, the boat would be blown away from anyone in the 
water. We only think we can swim that fast. Additionally, you would have a 
trouble to try staying in one spot (unless you have a full set of bow and stern 
thrusters).

And to all of us – we should practice for that. I do tie off the Life Sling to 
the pushpit, but I guess, I should deploy it on occasion. If nothing else, to 
see how big the circle this should be. And it would help if we practice on 
occasion in adverse conditions. The problem is that you have to convince the 
Admiral or the crew to do the drills (rather than having fun).

Btw. Randy, at least theoretically, you could use the Sling to lift people out 
water (e.g. using the main tackle and the main halyard).

Thanks for sharing

Marek

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Sent: June 13, 2016 18:31
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Indigo<mailto:ind...@thethomsons.us>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
>
>
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach.


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Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Well Done!

You were the right guy at the right time. 

I made a mental note about the blanket.  Down in Georgia we sail all year 
long and the water does get into the 50-60's in the winter, I bought self 
inflating PFD's for winter season racing but did not think about the 
blanket. I need to add a blanket or 2 to my MOB bag.

Thanks for sharing. 
 
Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[RANDY via CnC-List]

That's about what I did. Whether correct or not, it worked. Fortunately these 
people were conscious and able enough to grab and hold the line, and climb the 
swim ladder once we pulled them to the boat. The one guy who flopped in the 
cockpit incoherent afterward made it on pure adrenaline we think. The other guy 
was more composed once he recovered a bit, and realized how close they'd come 
to drowning. The girl who went below was totally traumatized, more or less in 
shock. We got the first guy by himself. We got the other two at the same time - 
dragged the line by them and they both hung on. One other lesson - wear gloves 
if possible. That life sling line is waxy and sharp. My crew got cuts and 
blisters from it pulling those people in. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Indigo" <ind...@thethomsons.us> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:31:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling 

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong? 

-- 
Jonathan 
Indigo C 35III 
SOUTHPORT CT 

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach. 


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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Because dragging a line by the person in the water is a higher-probability 
proposition. They can grab it and you can pull them to the boat. Initially I 
had my crew open the life line gates and stand by to pull the people aboard. 
But I couldn't get the boat close enough to the people, and it's still going by 
fast enough that it's easy to miss grabbing their hands, and then you'd have to 
pull them over a couple feet of freeboard to get them on deck, with the boat 
pitching and rolling. And two of these guys were 250+ -pound men, exhausted and 
one incapacitated. Same deal with the swim ladder. Couldn't get the boat close 
enough, quickly enough, and moving slowly enough, for them to be able to swim 
over and grab the ladder (with the boat pitching etc.). It was a much more 
sure-fire proposition to throw a line to them, and pull them to the boat's 
transom. Even after we pulled them in and they climbed the swim ladder, it was 
still quite an ordeal to get them over the stern pulpit into the cockpit, 
because they were so tired and weak. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Lorne Serpa" <lorne.se...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:59:54 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

I ask because I don't know and am new to sailing... 
Why didn't you just stop and pick them up vice circling with a ring in tow? 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Hi Michael, 

We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton. I used to crew for Rick Fox on 
his Merit 25. Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your posts. 
Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C now? 

Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 


From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Cc: "Michael Cotton" < mpc51...@yahoo.com > 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for 
navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just 
finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key 
West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. 
Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to 
sail. 


On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 


Way to go, Randy! 

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule: When you first 
enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might 
pass out. The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and leave 
you gasping for air. You have about ten minutes before your muscles can no 
longer help you get back onto your boat. You have about an hour before you 
might die from hypothermia. 

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person 
in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and 

Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue - now using life sling

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I have always understood that to deploy the life sling we should make a fairly 
large circle round the victim and the horseshoe would act as a sort of anchor 
and make the line get closer and closer to the victim without the boat needing 
to get close. Once the victim (assuming capable ) has grasped the line we 
should stop the boat and pull in the line and the victim. Have I got it wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 16:34, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the 
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be 
> within reach.


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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

I ask because I don't know and am new to sailing...
Why didn't you just stop and pick them up vice circling with a ring in tow?

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton.  I used to crew for Rick Fox
> on his Merit 25.  Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your
> posts.  Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C now?
>
> Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :)
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Michael Cotton via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *To: *"cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc: *"Michael Cotton" <mpc51...@yahoo.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue
>
>  I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for
> navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just
> finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and
> Key West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme
> emergencies. Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a
> weird place to sail.
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Way to go, Randy!
>
> Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you
> first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you
> might pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath
> away, and leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before
> your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have
> about an hour before you might die from hypothermia.
>
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
> within reach.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the condit

Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Michael, 

We've met - I remember your boat High Cotton. I used to crew for Rick Fox on 
his Merit 25. Since he's a mutual Facebook friend, I sometimes see your posts. 
Didn't know you were on this list - do you own a C now? 

Chatfield may be a weird place to sail, but it's my main place to sail :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Michael Cotton via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Michael Cotton" <mpc51...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:58:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 

I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for 
navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just 
finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key 
West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. 
Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to 
sail. 


On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: 


Way to go, Randy! 

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule: When you first 
enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might 
pass out. The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and leave 
you gasping for air. You have about ten minutes before your muscles can no 
longer help you get back onto your boat. You have about an hour before you 
might die from hypothermia. 

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person 
in the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Awesome Chuck! I didn't know there was anyone else on this list who has sailed 
at Chatfield! 

With the summer afternoon / evening thunderstorms we get on the Colorado Front 
Range, Chatfield can go from zero to oh my God in just a few minutes. 

Let me know if you're ever back out this way! 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Chuck Gilchrest" <csgilchr...@comcast.net> 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:42:42 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 



Good job Randy!! When I lived in Colorado 2 decades ago, I had numerous sailing 
adventures on Chatfield Reservoir in my FJ that I owned and trailer sailed at 
the time. Several of those adventures included being pinned against the dam on 
the northeastern side of the lake trying to get into the boat ramp before a 
squall hit. That body of water can get ornery in a very short period of time. 



My wife and I just took a “Suddenly Alone” class at Beverly Yacht Club and 
learned how to use and retrieve a Lifesling. Would not have had a clue 
otherwise… 

Again, you were in the right place and had the knowledge to save those folks. 
You should be very proud! 

Chuck Gilchrest 

S/V Half Magic 

1983 LF 35 

Padanaram MA 


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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:18 PM 
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> 
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue 





Just a little story to share with you all. 





Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 





Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 





Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 





Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 





Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 





It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 





After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 





Best Regards, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

 I sailed Chatfield for a few years. They seem to have their own rules for 
navigation. VHF 16 has no value, orange flags all over the place( we just 
finished a year of cruising from Md to New England then to the Bahamas and Key 
West, never saw an orange flag). Orange flags are for extreme emergencies. 
Sailboats have to give way to a trolling power boat. It's a weird place to 
sail. 

On Monday, June 13, 2016 4:35 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Way to go, Randy!

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you first 
enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you might 
pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath away, and 
leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before your muscles can 
no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have about an hour before you 
might die from hypothermia.

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the person 
in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be within reach.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  
wrote:

Just a little story to share with you all.
Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.
Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.
Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.
Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.
Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.
After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.
Best Regards,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

Fabulous observation and action. A round of virtual drinks for you!

I single hand. I have been working out my own come back alive strategies/gear. 
It is time to consider single handed rescues more carefully. 

Don

Don Harben
Viking 34
Life
www.ncyc.ca


> On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Suddenly Alone” class


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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Kudos Randy!

An experience I hope to never have (from either end of the action), and if I do 
I hope I do as well as you did.  My compliments to you and your crew!

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-06-13 5:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List wrote:
Just a little story to share with you all.

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.

Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO



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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

As far as I’m concerned, Randy is now Batman! Way to go Randy! Excellent job! 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Just a little story to share with you all.
> 
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
> really hauling ass.
> 
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to 
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat 
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're 
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the 
> water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and 
> I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.
> 
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove 
> to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
> dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
> and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
> the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
> yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
> we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
> minutes.
> 
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
> 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
> intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
> body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get 
> him first, so they must have known something.
> 
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already 
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell 
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all 
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went 
> below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very 
> cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the 
> Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed 
> as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
> 
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
> other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to 
> swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions 
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before 
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my 
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me 
> to manage alone.
> 
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
> to again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Good job Randy!!  When I lived in Colorado 2 decades ago, I had numerous 
sailing adventures on Chatfield Reservoir in my FJ that I owned and trailer 
sailed at the time.  Several of those adventures included being pinned against 
the dam on the northeastern side of the lake trying to get into the boat ramp 
before a squall hit.  That body of water can get ornery in a very short period 
of time.

 

My wife and I just took a “Suddenly Alone” class at Beverly Yacht Club and 
learned how to use and retrieve a Lifesling.  Would not have had a clue 
otherwise…

Again, you were in the right place and had the knowledge to save those folks.  
You should be very proud!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of RANDY via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:18 PM
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

 

Just a little story to share with you all.

 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.

 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.

 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.

 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.

 

Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.

 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.

 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.

 

Best Regards,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Awesome story, Randy.

Just a reminder to us all that have Lifeslings.  Keep them ready to
deploy.  Touche's is on the stern pulpit as I write this.  Repack them each
spring.  Note that this is an item on the Spring Recommissioning Checklist
on the photoalbum site:



Also, with multiple MOB's it's good to have a throw bag like this:

<
https://www.amazon.com/Kwik-Tek-LL-1-Rescue-Throw/dp/BVW17E?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
>

Perhaps it could help another MOB while the Lifesling is not available.

While we're on safety, I just bought a neat personal strobe.  The UST Klipp
See-Me light.  Really neat personal strobe.  Unfortunately, with a water
resistance rating of only IPX4, it won't work for a PFD light.  I just
bought a couple of UST Marine Strobe 1.0 lights that purpose.

Dennis C.



Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
> me to manage alone.
>
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't
> have to again.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Well Done, Randy!

Chuck B
C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:34 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Way to go, Randy!
>
> Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you
> first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you
> might pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath
> away, and leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before
> your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have
> about an hour before you might die from hypothermia.
>
> Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
> person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
> within reach.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Just a little story to share with you all.
>>
>> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend,
>> in Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a
>> 15" whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
>> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>>
>> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around
>> to see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing
>> boat that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit,
>> they're sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people
>> were in the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
>> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
>> we could.
>>
>> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
>> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
>> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
>> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
>> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
>> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
>> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
>> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>>
>> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
>> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
>> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
>> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
>> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>>
>> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not
>> already tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had
>> to tell my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second,
>> in all the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.
>> One went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at
>> least very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third,
>> don't expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail
>> on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>>
>> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
>> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
>> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
>> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
>> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
>> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
>> me to manage alone.
>>
>> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and
>> drove home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies
>> and whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I
>> don't have to again.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Way to go, Randy!

Everyone who sails in cold water should know the 1-10-1 rule:  When you
first enter the water, you have one minute to catch your breath, before you
might pass out.  The shock of entering cold water can take your breath
away, and leave you gasping for air.  You have about ten minutes before
your muscles can no longer help you get back onto your boat.  You have
about an hour before you might die from hypothermia.

Also, keep in mind that when you use a Life Sling, when you pass by the
person in  the water, you have to be close to him/her for the sling to be
within reach.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Just a little story to share with you all.
>
> Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in
> Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15"
> whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one
> windsurfer really hauling ass.
>
> Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to
> see three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat
> that was going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're
> sinking."  Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in
> the water amongst various debris.  There were no other boats in the
> vicinity and I realized we were going to have to rescue them as quickly as
> we could.
>
> Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main,
> drove to them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or
> four times dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them
> all pulled in and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or
> two just due to the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of
> them was about 30 yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy
> first.  By the time we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the
> 68-degree water probably ten minutes.
>
> Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and
> called 911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he
> was very intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to
> move his body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told
> me to get him first, so they must have known something.
>
> Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already
> tied off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell
> my daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all
> the chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One
> went below and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least
> very cold if not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't
> expect the Chatfield State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF
> 16 - I hailed as soon as I grasped what was happening, to no avail.
>
> It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were
> no other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake
> to swim to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions
> (including theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before
> having to witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my
> daughter and her friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for
> me to manage alone.
>
> After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove
> home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and
> whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't
> have to again.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Just a little story to share with you all. 

Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions. We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water. Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass. 

Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern. I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking." Next 
time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris. There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could. 

Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling. Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder. I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging. One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first. By the time we 
got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes. 

Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one. I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something. He was incoherent and unable to move his body 
well, and it wasn't from exhaustion. Plus his friends told me to get him first, 
so they must have known something. 

Anyway, couple lessons learned. First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag. It should have been. Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out. Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard. One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia. Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail. 

It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time. There were no 
other boats around. These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs). And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning. Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone. 

After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps. I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have to 
again. 

Best Regards, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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