Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Chris,

 

Josh is right on the money!  You want to make sure both supplies are protected. 
 My boat has a fuse between the pump and the battery for the automatic ‘always 
on’ and a circuit breaker for manual.  As part of my ritual when leaving the 
boat, I’ll lift the float switch to make sure it is clear and functions 
properly. 

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

 <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 6:29 PM
To: C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

 

Consider wiring so that there are 2 "power supplys".  The float switch can 
start the pump directly from the battery and the manual switch can start it 
from the normal switch board supply.  This way the auto float switch will 
always work. 

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

On Jul 30, 2017 1:24 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the distribution 
panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple enough, just 
not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know how to install a 
switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes I'm aware of the 
consequences of electricity.

Chris Hobson
s/v Going
1980 C 30 MK1
Hull #615
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Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Consider wiring so that there are 2 "power supplys".  The float switch can
start the pump directly from the battery and the manual switch can start it
from the normal switch board supply.  This way the auto float switch will
always work.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jul 30, 2017 1:24 PM, "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the
> distribution panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work.
> Simple enough, just not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this
> or know how to install a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician
> and yes I'm aware of the consequences of electricity.
>
> Chris Hobson
> s/v Going
> 1980 C 30 MK1
> Hull #615
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Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Chris,

I prefer to connect the bilge pump's positive supply to one of the battery
posts on the back of the battery switch and keep the wire off the battery.
On the back of your battery switch you'll see 3 posts.  One will be labeled
"1" and one will be labeled "2".  The third is probably labeled "COM".
They correspond to Battery bank 1, Battery Bank 2 and the positive supply
to your breaker panel ("COM").

By attached to 1 or 2 you are in effect, wiring it to one of the
batteries.  Just at the end of the battery supply cable.

Others have given you good advice on the rest of the wiring.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the
> distribution panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work.
> Simple enough, just not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this
> or know how to install a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician
> and yes I'm aware of the consequences of electricity.
>
> Chris Hobson
> s/v Going
> 1980 C 30 MK1
> Hull #615
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Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Make sure you put a fuse near battery preferably on both pos and neg side.  
Jerry 

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> On Jul 30, 2017, at 5:25 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I just did that this year.  It's straightforward.  You just have to have all 
> the supplies and tools.  On my 30-1 the three-way switches for the bilge 
> pumps (I have two) are mounted under the galley sink, through the plywood 
> separating the starboard lazaret from the space under the galley sink.  If 
> you mount your switch there, you'll need a drill and jigsaw to cut a hole for 
> the switch.
> 
> Then you'll need some ring terminals matching the size of your battery's 
> studs and the size of your wire.  If the wiring on your switch and pump is 
> 16-gauge like mine, it's easiest to get bulk 16-gauge wire in red and black. 
> You'll need some 16-gauge butt connectors to connect the wires on the back of 
> the switch to the wires on the pump and to the wire run over to the battery.  
> And you'll need a wire cutter, wire stripper, and a crimping tool.
> 
> In my case since I have two batteries and two pumps, I mounted terminal 
> strips enclosed in junction boxes to the plywood near the batteries (port 
> side), and near the switches (starboard side).  I connected the positive 
> studs of both batteries to one terminal strip, and the negative studs to the 
> other.  Then I did one run of red and black over to the terminal strips on 
> the starboard side where the pump switch leads connected.  And of course 
> you'll want some cable clamps to run the wires neatly and keep them in place.
> 
> You can get all the stuff you need at West Marine, though the tools are 
> probably less expensive elsewhere.  I think I bought my crimper at Harbor 
> Freight.  And a good reference on boat electrical systems is 
> https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848
>  - I recommend it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
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> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "Chris Hobson" <ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:23:32 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery
> 
> Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the distribution 
> panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple enough, just 
> not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know how to install 
> a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes I'm aware of the 
> consequences of electricity.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> s/v Going
> 1980 C 30 MK1
> Hull #615
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Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Wayne Anstey via CnC-List]

There are also a lot of good videos on YouTube.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Wayne Anstey via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> My Rule pump came with a wiring diagram; pretty straight forward.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:25 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I just did that this year.  It's straightforward.  You just have to have all 
>> the supplies and tools.  On my 30-1 the three-way switches for the bilge 
>> pumps (I have two) are mounted under the galley sink, through the plywood 
>> separating the starboard lazaret from the space under the galley sink.  If 
>> you mount your switch there, you'll need a drill and jigsaw to cut a hole 
>> for the switch.
>> 
>> Then you'll need some ring terminals matching the size of your battery's 
>> studs and the size of your wire.  If the wiring on your switch and pump is 
>> 16-gauge like mine, it's easiest to get bulk 16-gauge wire in red and black. 
>> You'll need some 16-gauge butt connectors to connect the wires on the back 
>> of the switch to the wires on the pump and to the wire run over to the 
>> battery.  And you'll need a wire cutter, wire stripper, and a crimping tool.
>> 
>> In my case since I have two batteries and two pumps, I mounted terminal 
>> strips enclosed in junction boxes to the plywood near the batteries (port 
>> side), and near the switches (starboard side).  I connected the positive 
>> studs of both batteries to one terminal strip, and the negative studs to the 
>> other.  Then I did one run of red and black over to the terminal strips on 
>> the starboard side where the pump switch leads connected.  And of course 
>> you'll want some cable clamps to run the wires neatly and keep them in place.
>> 
>> You can get all the stuff you need at West Marine, though the tools are 
>> probably less expensive elsewhere.  I think I bought my crimper at Harbor 
>> Freight.  And a good reference on boat electrical systems is 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848
>>  - I recommend it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
>> From: "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: "Chris Hobson" <ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:23:32 AM
>> Subject: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery
>> 
>> Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the 
>> distribution panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple 
>> enough, just not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know 
>> how to install a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes 
>> I'm aware of the consequences of electricity.
>> 
>> Chris Hobson
>> s/v Going
>> 1980 C 30 MK1
>> Hull #615
>> ___
>> 
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>> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Wayne Anstey via CnC-List]

My Rule pump came with a wiring diagram; pretty straight forward.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 6:25 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I just did that this year.  It's straightforward.  You just have to have all 
> the supplies and tools.  On my 30-1 the three-way switches for the bilge 
> pumps (I have two) are mounted under the galley sink, through the plywood 
> separating the starboard lazaret from the space under the galley sink.  If 
> you mount your switch there, you'll need a drill and jigsaw to cut a hole for 
> the switch.
> 
> Then you'll need some ring terminals matching the size of your battery's 
> studs and the size of your wire.  If the wiring on your switch and pump is 
> 16-gauge like mine, it's easiest to get bulk 16-gauge wire in red and black. 
> You'll need some 16-gauge butt connectors to connect the wires on the back of 
> the switch to the wires on the pump and to the wire run over to the battery.  
> And you'll need a wire cutter, wire stripper, and a crimping tool.
> 
> In my case since I have two batteries and two pumps, I mounted terminal 
> strips enclosed in junction boxes to the plywood near the batteries (port 
> side), and near the switches (starboard side).  I connected the positive 
> studs of both batteries to one terminal strip, and the negative studs to the 
> other.  Then I did one run of red and black over to the terminal strips on 
> the starboard side where the pump switch leads connected.  And of course 
> you'll want some cable clamps to run the wires neatly and keep them in place.
> 
> You can get all the stuff you need at West Marine, though the tools are 
> probably less expensive elsewhere.  I think I bought my crimper at Harbor 
> Freight.  And a good reference on boat electrical systems is 
> https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848
>  - I recommend it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> From: "Chris Hobson via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: "Chris Hobson" <ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:23:32 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery
> 
> Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the distribution 
> panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple enough, just 
> not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know how to install 
> a switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes I'm aware of the 
> consequences of electricity.
> 
> Chris Hobson
> s/v Going
> 1980 C 30 MK1
> Hull #615
> ___
> 
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> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to:  
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> 
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Re: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Hi Chris, 

I just did that this year. It's straightforward. You just have to have all the 
supplies and tools. On my 30-1 the three-way switches for the bilge pumps (I 
have two) are mounted under the galley sink, through the plywood separating the 
starboard lazaret from the space under the galley sink. If you mount your 
switch there, you'll need a drill and jigsaw to cut a hole for the switch. 

Then you'll need some ring terminals matching the size of your battery's studs 
and the size of your wire. If the wiring on your switch and pump is 16-gauge 
like mine, it's easiest to get bulk 16-gauge wire in red and black. You'll need 
some 16-gauge butt connectors to connect the wires on the back of the switch to 
the wires on the pump and to the wire run over to the battery. And you'll need 
a wire cutter, wire stripper, and a crimping tool. 

In my case since I have two batteries and two pumps, I mounted terminal strips 
enclosed in junction boxes to the plywood near the batteries (port side), and 
near the switches (starboard side). I connected the positive studs of both 
batteries to one terminal strip, and the negative studs to the other. Then I 
did one run of red and black over to the terminal strips on the starboard side 
where the pump switch leads connected. And of course you'll want some cable 
clamps to run the wires neatly and keep them in place. 

You can get all the stuff you need at West Marine, though the tools are 
probably less expensive elsewhere. I think I bought my crimper at Harbor 
Freight. And a good reference on boat electrical systems is 
https://www.amazon.com/Caseys-Complete-Illustrated-Sailboat-Maintenance/dp/0071462848
 - I recommend it. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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Subject: Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery 

Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the distribution 
panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple enough, just 
not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know how to install a 
switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes I'm aware of the 
consequences of electricity. 

Chris Hobson 
s/v Going 
1980 C 30 MK1 
Hull #615 
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Stus-List Wiring Bilge Direct to Battery

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

Need to wire the bilge pump direct to the battery and bypass the distribution 
panel. Currently have to turn battery on for it to work. Simple enough, just 
not something I've done before. Has anyone wired this or know how to install a 
switch (3-way) to do so? No I'm not an electrician and yes I'm aware of the 
consequences of electricity.

Chris Hobson
s/v Going
1980 C 30 MK1
Hull #615
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