Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread BillBinaList via CnC-List

New, but worth investigating:

http://www.pettitpaint.com/products/varnish-wood-finishes/exterior-varnish/seagold/

Bill Bina


On 2/9/2018 7:03 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
That would be my guess, also.  If I ever "lose" the Cetol, I'm 
definitely going to consider stripping the Cetol and switching to 
Awlwood with proper prep, of course.  Knock on wood (LOL), the Cetol 
will last a few more years.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
That would be my guess, also.  If I ever "lose" the Cetol, I'm definitely
going to consider stripping the Cetol and switching to Awlwood with proper
prep, of course.  Knock on wood (LOL), the Cetol will last a few more years.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 2:42 PM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Dennis,

Haven’t reviewed the instructions recently but I am fairly certain that
you’ll need to get to clean, bare wood if you use the Primer. There seems
to be cases  of
overcoating other products but I didn’t see Cetol mentioned.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

T-1 hanks for the feedack on Awlwood everybody.  My Cetol is in good
conditionfor now.  I've said in previous posts that I would definitely
be amenable to switching to Awlwood.  Cetol has been around for many years
now.  I'm guessing that the folks at Awlgrip have figured out how to
produce a product that is better than Cetol.

Anybody know about compatibility?  Can you put Awlwood over Cetol Gloss?
Hmmm.  I might search for the answer to that.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak / sanding between coats

2018-02-09 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
This may be the problem I encountered.  The guy in Australia probably doesn’t 
have large temperature swings like we do on the Great Lakes.

From: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak / sanding between coats

Just be careful it's Spar Varnish and not Polyurethane.  Spar Varnish retains 
more flexibility so withstand the heat swings of being exposed outside.

Caution is advised though - I'm no expert!

Bruce Whitmore

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This summer I discovered varnish in a spray can.  I decided to try it on my 
grab rails. Two interesting differences from traditional varnish: 

- Subsequent coats can be applied without sanding if done within an hour or so. 
 You don't wait for it to dry completely.  
- No brush marks

Has anyone else had experience with it? I thought it worked pretty well in my 
test, and certainly liked the ability to get many coats done in a short day. I 
look forward to seeing how it holds up over time.  It seems there must be some 
downside to this!

Bill
Starfire
C 37
Ludington, MI


On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  Dave, 

  You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some 
degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to a 
local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked him how 
many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.

  I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in 
excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It 
looks really good.

  Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip vs 
Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is harder 
to apply and repair.  

  For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
varnish is another difference.

  Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.

  Dennis C.
  Touche' 35-1 #83
  Mandeville, LA

  On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a good 
varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
substantially less than varnish. 

It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than 
varnish but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and 
deep as varnish.

Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the 
outdoors yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has 
been done with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 
for regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 

As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last 
year to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I 
watched the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as 
much time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him 
and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as nice 
as a well done varnish job.

And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, 
I’ll spray.

Best, 
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit


  On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that 
for looks?   Hardness?  Both?

  Thanks in advance.


  David F. Risch

  (401) 419-4650 (cell)





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  I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously 
oiled them ev

Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List
Dennis,

Haven’t reviewed the instructions recently but I am fairly certain that you’ll 
need to get to clean, bare wood if you use the Primer. There seems to be cases 
 of overcoating 
other products but I didn’t see Cetol mentioned.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the feedack on Awlwood everybody.  My Cetol is in good 
> conditionfor now.  I've said in previous posts that I would definitely be 
> amenable to switching to Awlwood.  Cetol has been around for many years now.  
> I'm guessing that the folks at Awlgrip have figured out how to produce a 
> product that is better than Cetol.
> 
> Anybody know about compatibility?  Can you put Awlwood over Cetol Gloss?  
> Hmmm.  I might search for the answer to that.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Thanks for the feedack on Awlwood everybody.  My Cetol is in good
conditionfor now.  I've said in previous posts that I would definitely
be amenable to switching to Awlwood.  Cetol has been around for many years
now.  I'm guessing that the folks at Awlgrip have figured out how to
produce a product that is better than Cetol.

Anybody know about compatibility?  Can you put Awlwood over Cetol Gloss?
Hmmm.  I might search for the answer to that.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 10:07 AM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis — I did NOT do any sanding after the initial wood preparation;
> nothing between coats.  The first coat of AwlWood is a colored or clear
> primer coat; apply with a rag, and let dry for twenty-four hours.  The
> finish coats go on well with disposable foam brushes; thin coats, with a
> redcoat time of about two to four hours (maybe more with higher humidity).
> I did ten coats on everything (six handrails and four Dorade boxes) over
> two days.
>
> The finished results can be seen here: www.postaudio.net/webserver/
> IMG_1607.JPG
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want
> really great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol
> does not require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak
> prior to varnish is another difference.
>
> Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List
I’ve resized the image (smaller) and re-posted; try it now: 
http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/IMG_1607.JPG 
<http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/IMG_1607.JPG>

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:44 PM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I had the same issueanyone know how to get the photo operational? Thanks
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushm ark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River
> 
> 
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> Photo would not load, but if it didn't look great Fred wouldn't have shared 
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

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 I had the same issueanyone know how to get the photo operational? Thanks

 


Richard
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> Fred .. wow..a job well done
> Something can shoot for.
> Jim schwartz
>
>  Original message 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Date: 2/9/18 12:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>
> Dennis — I did NOT do any sanding after the initial wood preparation;
> nothing between coats.  The first coat of AwlWood is a colored or clear
> primer coat; apply with a rag, and let dry for twenty-four hours.  The
> finish coats go on well with disposable foam brushes; thin coats, with a
> redcoat time of about two to four hours (maybe more with higher humidity).
> I did ten coats on everything (six handrails and four Dorade boxes) over
> two days.
>
> The finished results can be seen here: www.postaudio.net/webserver/
> IMG_1607.JPG
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want
> really great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol
> does not require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak
> prior to varnish is another difference.
>
> Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak / sanding between coats

2018-02-09 Thread Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List
Just be careful it's Spar Varnish and not Polyurethane.  Spar Varnish retains 
more flexibility so withstand the heat swings of being exposed outside.
Caution is advised though - I'm no expert! Bruce Whitmore

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


  From: William Hall via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: William Hall <wh...@alum.mit.edu>
 Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak / sanding between coats
   
This summer I discovered varnish in a spray can.  I decided to try it on my 
grab rails. Two interesting differences from traditional varnish:
- Subsequent coats can be applied without sanding if done within an hour or so. 
 You don't wait for it to dry completely.  - No brush marks
Has anyone else had experience with it? I thought it worked pretty well in my 
test, and certainly liked the ability to get many coats done in a short day. I 
look forward to seeing how it holds up over time.  It seems there must be some 
downside to this!
BillStarfireC 37Ludington, MI

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Dave,
You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some 
degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to a 
local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked him how 
many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.
I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in 
excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It 
looks really good.
Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip vs 
Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is harder 
to apply and repair.  
For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
varnish is another difference.
Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a good 
varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
substantially less than varnish.
It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
varnish.
Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 
As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year to 
have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched the 
process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much time as 
a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him and I was 
noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as nice as a well 
done varnish job.
And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, I’ll 
spray.
Best,Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit

On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
looks?   Hardness?  Both?
Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak I used teak oil on the toe rails of my 
previous boat.  I religiously oiled them every few months.  After a few months, 
they looked like crap.
On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats Cetol 
Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
it. It looks as though it

Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread detroito91 via CnC-List
Fred .. wow..a job well doneSomething can shoot for.Jim schwartz 
 Original message From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 2/9/18  12:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Exterior Teak 
Dennis — I did NOT do any sanding after the initial wood preparation; nothing 
between coats.  The first coat of AwlWood is a colored or clear primer coat; 
apply with a rag, and let dry for twenty-four hours.  The finish coats go on 
well with disposable foam brushes; thin coats, with a redcoat time of about two 
to four hours (maybe more with higher humidity).  I did ten coats on everything 
(six handrails and four Dorade boxes) over two days.
The finished results can be seen here: www.postaudio.net/webserver/IMG_1607.JPG

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
varnish is another difference.
Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List
Dennis,

I know. I should have displayed my sarcasm emoji….  ;-)

Anyway, I think y’all are doin' it wrong. To keep that beautiful clear gloss 
varnish on your woodwork you just need to spend $7,500.00 on a shed to stick 
your boats in for quite a few (many) sailing seasons.

See? Sarcasm! ;-)

Cheers,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some 
> degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to a 
> local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked him 
> how many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.
> 
> I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in 
> excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It 
> looks really good.
> 
> Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip vs 
> Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is harder 
> to apply and repair.  
> 
> For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
> great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
> require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
> varnish is another difference.
> 
> Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
> Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
> Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
> determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
> several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a 
> good varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
> substantially less than varnish.
> 
> It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
> but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
> varnish.
> 
> Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
> yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
> with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
> regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 
> 
> As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year 
> to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched 
> the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much 
> time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him 
> and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as 
> nice as a well done varnish job.
> 
> And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, 
> I’ll spray.
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
>> looks?   Hardness?  Both?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> David F. Risch
>> (401) 419-4650 <tel:(401)%20419-4650> (cell)
>> 
>> 
>> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
>> To: CnClist
>> Cc: Dennis C.
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>>  
>> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled 
>> them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
>> 
>> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats 
>> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in 
>> the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
>> 
>> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
>> time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
>> 
>> Dennis 

Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
I should add that I also refinished my dorade boxes and the cockpit seats with 
the same Allwood products, and they are beautiful and holding up well.  One 
significant difference is that I refinished these items in a better-controlled 
environment (my basement over the winter).  Undoubtedly human error.  

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:43 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

Dave, 

You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some 
degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to a 
local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked him how 
many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.

I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in 
excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It 
looks really good.

Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip vs 
Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is harder 
to apply and repair.  

For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
varnish is another difference.

Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a good 
varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
substantially less than varnish. 

  It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
varnish.

  Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 

  As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year 
to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched 
the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much time 
as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him and I was 
noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as nice as a well 
done varnish job.

  And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, 
I’ll spray.

  Best, 
  Dave Godwin
  1982 C 37 - Ronin
  Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
  Ronin’s Overdue Refit


On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
looks?   Hardness?  Both?

Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)







From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
To: CnClist
    Cc: Dennis C.
    Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak 

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled 
them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap. 

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats 
Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to 
refinish it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was 
wondering if anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.

  Brien Sadler
  S/V TAZ
  C 35-3

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak / sanding between coats

2018-02-09 Thread William Hall via CnC-List
This summer I discovered varnish in a spray can.  I decided to try it on my
grab rails. Two interesting differences from traditional varnish:

- Subsequent coats can be applied without sanding if done within an hour or
so.  You don't wait for it to dry completely.
- No brush marks

Has anyone else had experience with it? I thought it worked pretty well in
my test, and certainly liked the ability to get many coats done in a short
day. I look forward to seeing how it holds up over time.  It seems there
must be some downside to this!

Bill
Starfire
C 37
Ludington, MI


On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some
> degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to
> a local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked
> him how many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.
>
> I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in
> excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It
> looks really good.
>
> Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip
> vs Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is
> harder to apply and repair.
>
> For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want
> really great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol
> does not require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak
> prior to varnish is another difference.
>
> Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t
>> use Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako
>> 261. Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could
>> determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then
>> several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a
>> good varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was
>> substantially less than varnish.
>>
>> It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than
>> varnish but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth
>> and deep as varnish.
>>
>> Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the
>> outdoors yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has
>> been done with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus
>> 8-10 for regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it.
>>
>> As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last
>> year to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I
>> watched the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit
>> as much time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out
>> for him and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere
>> near as nice as a well done varnish job.
>>
>> And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply
>> AwlWood, I’ll spray.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that
>> for looks?   Hardness?  Both?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> David F. Risch
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C.
>> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
>> *To:* CnClist
>> *Cc:* Dennis C.
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>>
>> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously
>> oiled them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
>>
>> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats
>> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in
>> the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
>>
>> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money
>> and time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
>>
&g

Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Dennis — I did NOT do any sanding after the initial wood preparation; nothing 
between coats.  The first coat of AwlWood is a colored or clear primer coat; 
apply with a rag, and let dry for twenty-four hours.  The finish coats go on 
well with disposable foam brushes; thin coats, with a redcoat time of about two 
to four hours (maybe more with higher humidity).  I did ten coats on everything 
(six handrails and four Dorade boxes) over two days.

The finished results can be seen here: www.postaudio.net/webserver/IMG_1607.JPG

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
> great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
> require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
> varnish is another difference.
> 
> Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
To follow up on my earlier note, the Awlgrip product I used was Allwood MA 
J3890 Gloss, and the clear primer was J3809 (which adheres great to gel coat, 
by the way).  As I reported previously, I read about the Allwood product in the 
comments section of Practical Sailor.  As I recall, the writer was a sailor 
from Australia, who reported that he put five or six coats of the stuff on and 
it lasted 10 years.  Ten years sounded good to me, so I sanded off what was 
left of the old flaky varnish on my cockpit coaming (down to brown teak), 
prepped the surface and put on a coat of primer as per the instructions, and 
then put on five or six coats over a week or so. The work area was covered to 
prevent the sun from affecting the product (surface bubbling).  The finished 
product was beautiful (albeit a little slippery), and it looked great the 
entire summer.  Over the winter, however, the primer coat must have failed 
because little (pin-sized) air bubbles developed between the teak and the 
Allwood.  After all that work, I decided to live with the bubbles.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:43 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

Dave, 

You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some 
degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to a 
local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked him how 
many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.

I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in 
excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It 
looks really good.

Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip vs 
Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is harder 
to apply and repair.  

For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really 
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not 
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to 
varnish is another difference.

Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a good 
varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
substantially less than varnish. 

  It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
varnish.

  Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 

  As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year 
to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched 
the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much time 
as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him and I was 
noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as nice as a well 
done varnish job.

  And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, 
I’ll spray.

  Best, 
  Dave Godwin
  1982 C 37 - Ronin
  Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
  Ronin’s Overdue Refit


On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
looks?   Hardness?  Both?

Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)







From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
To: CnClist
    Cc: Dennis C.
    Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak 

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled 
them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap. 

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats 
Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Man

Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List
The combination Dennis suggested, Cetol® Marine Natural Teak ( *not* Cetol®
Marine or Cetol® Marine Light ), topped with Cetol® Marine Gloss does look
very good.

I've never been fond of the colour ( or look ) of Cetol® Marine or Cetol®
Marine Light.  The Cetol® Marine Natural Teak does look very good on teak.

Varnish, properly applied does look even better but does not last as long
in my experience.  I've never laid down 23 coats though...

Ken H.

On 9 February 2018 at 12:43, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Dave,
>
> You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some
> degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to
> a local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked
> him how many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.
>
> I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in
> excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It
> looks really good.
>
> Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip
> vs Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is
> harder to apply and repair.
>
> For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want
> really great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol
> does not require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak
> prior to varnish is another difference.
>
> Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t
>> use Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako
>> 261. Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could
>> determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then
>> several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a
>> good varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was
>> substantially less than varnish.
>>
>> It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than
>> varnish but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth
>> and deep as varnish.
>>
>> Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the
>> outdoors yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has
>> been done with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus
>> 8-10 for regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it.
>>
>> As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last
>> year to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I
>> watched the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit
>> as much time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out
>> for him and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere
>> near as nice as a well done varnish job.
>>
>> And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply
>> AwlWood, I’ll spray.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that
>> for looks?   Hardness?  Both?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> David F. Risch
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C.
>> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
>> *To:* CnClist
>> *Cc:* Dennis C.
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>>
>> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously
>> oiled them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
>>
>> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats
>> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in
>> the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
>>
>> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money
>> and time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler v

Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Dave,

You're not an unwanted guest.  I actually agree with your opinion to some
degree.  I was walking piers one day and saw a Pearson 365 that belonged to
a local sailmaker.  The varnished teak toe rails looked amazing. I asked
him how many coats of varnish.  Answer: 23.

I varnished the teak grate in Touche's head a few years back.  Applied in
excess of 15 coats, probably more than 20.  Sanding between each coat.  It
looks really good.

Philosophically, I liken the Cetol vs varnish decision to that of Awlgrip
vs Awlcraft 2000.  Awlgrip is harder, probably looks better longer but is
harder to apply and repair.

For me, the difference is in the sanding between coats.  If you want really
great varnish, you need to diligently sand between coats.  Cetol does not
require sanding between coats.  Apllying a filler to the bare teak prior to
varnish is another difference.

Interested in results and experiences with Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 9:11 AM, "Dave Godwin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use
> Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261.
> Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could
> determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then
> several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a
> good varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was
> substantially less than varnish.
>
> It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than
> varnish but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth
> and deep as varnish.
>
> Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the
> outdoors yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has
> been done with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus
> 8-10 for regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it.
>
> As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last
> year to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I
> watched the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit
> as much time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out
> for him and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere
> near as nice as a well done varnish job.
>
> And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood,
> I’ll spray.
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that
> for looks?   Hardness?  Both?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C.
> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>
> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled
> them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
>
> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats
> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in
> the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
>
> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and
> time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to
> refinish it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was
> wondering if anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking
> for recommendations.
>
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List
Accepting Bitcoins?  ;-)

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Send Dennis money.  Send Dennis money.
> 
> (Let's see if this works again.)
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2018 8:19 AM, "bushmark4--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> "I did it because Dennis said so. :)"  
> 
> Amen, that's the very essence of this list!  I love it...
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River
> 
> Richard N. Bush  
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255 <tel:(502)%20584-7255>
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:randal.staff...@icloud.com>>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 9:57 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
> 
> I did it because Dennis said so. :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
> looks?   Hardness?  Both?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Careful, you’re shouldering into Stu’s territory…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Send Dennis money.  Send Dennis money.
> 
> (Let's see if this works again.)
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Send Dennis money.  Send Dennis money.

(Let's see if this works again.)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Feb 9, 2018 8:19 AM, "bushmark4--- via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:


"I did it because Dennis said so. :)"

Amen, that's the very essence of this list!  I love it...

Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255 <(502)%20584-7255>


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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 9:57 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

I did it because Dennis said so. :)

Cheers,
Randy

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wrote:

So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for
looks?   Hardness?  Both?
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
David,

I'm also a former Cetol user.  I switched to Schooner Gold.  I was not
happy with how quickly it broke down, so I switched to Epiphanes Rapid
Clear and RapidCoat.
  Just as easy as Cetol, but I like the look better and it seems more
durable than the Schooner.  I'm going to try sealing new teak with
penetrating epoxy so that the varnish is only protecting the epoxy, not the
wood.

Joel

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On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use
> Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261.
> Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could
> determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then
> several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a
> good varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was
> substantially less than varnish.
>
> It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than
> varnish but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth
> and deep as varnish.
>
> Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the
> outdoors yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has
> been done with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus
> 8-10 for regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it.
>
> As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last
> year to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I
> watched the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit
> as much time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out
> for him and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere
> near as nice as a well done varnish job.
>
> And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood,
> I’ll spray.
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
>
> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that
> for looks?   Hardness?  Both?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C.
> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>
> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled
> them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
>
> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats
> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in
> the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
>
> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and
> time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to
> refinish it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was
> wondering if anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking
> for recommendations.
>
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List
My experience with AwlWood so far has been good, as well.  I have some small 
repairs to do to the forward handrails this spring, so will be able to report 
back on that process; but after a couple of seasons, the handrails and Dorade 
boxes look like they did when they left my garage after refinishing.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
> Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
> Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
> determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
> several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a 
> good varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
> substantially less than varnish.
> 
> It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
> but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
> varnish.
> 
> Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
> yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
> with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
> regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 
> 
> As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year 
> to have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched 
> the process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much 
> time as a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him 
> and I was noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as 
> nice as a well done varnish job.
> 
> And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, 
> I’ll spray.
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List
Consider me the unwanted guest at the party on this thread but I won’t use 
Cetol. A few reasons. Years ago I redid all the teak trim on my Mako 261. 
Fortunately the teak was just aged out. No prior coating that I could 
determine. I sanded to bright, applied base coats of light Cetol and then 
several coats of their Gloss. It looked okay, but not nearly as nice as a good 
varnish job. I figured I could live with that if the maintenance was 
substantially less than varnish.

It didn’t turn out that way. Yes, the Cetol lasted a bit longer than varnish 
but not enough to overcome the “look” that IMHO was not as smooth and deep as 
varnish.

Although I haven’t subjected my exterior teak trim on “Ronin” to the outdoors 
yet, everything that I have re-varnished, cabin sole included, has been done 
with AwlWood. Just from an ease of application (5/6 coats versus 8-10 for 
regular varnish) and the deep, clear look it is worth it. 

As an aside, I have a friend with a Tartan 37 who ponied up $4,000 last year to 
have a professional crew redo all his exterior teak with Cetol. I watched the 
process being done in the yard near my boat. It took every bit as much time as 
a varnish job. Yesterday I was on his boat checking it out for him and I was 
noting the quality of the finish. Very good but nowhere near as nice as a well 
done varnish job.

And being the contrarian that I can be, next time I have to apply AwlWood, I’ll 
spray.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
> looks?   Hardness?  Both?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>  
> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled 
> them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
> 
> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats 
> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
> Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
> 
> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
> time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
> it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
> anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
> recommendations.
> 
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
> 
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread bushmark4--- via CnC-List

 
"I did it because Dennis said so. :)"  

Amen, that's the very essence of this list!  I love it...

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 9:57 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak


I did it because Dennis said so. :)


Cheers,
Randy



On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
looks?   Hardness?  Both?


Thanks in advance.




David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)





From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
 

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled them 
every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.


On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats Cetol 
Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.


I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:


My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.


Brien Sadler
S/V TAZ
C 35-3 

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Randy Stafford via CnC-List
I did it because Dennis said so. :)

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:10 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
> looks?   Hardness?  Both?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C. via 
> CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>  
> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled 
> them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
> 
> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats 
> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
> Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
> 
> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
> time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
> it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
> anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
> recommendations.
> 
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
> 
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Both.

I used to apply a maintenance coat of just Cetol twice a year.  Worked OK.
Switched to a maintenance coat of Cetol Gloss twice a year.  Like the look
better.  Longevity seems to be better also.

Remember, preparation is critical.  Sand teak to bare wood, wipe off
surface oils with acetone and quickly apply first coat.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 9, 2018 7:11 AM, "David via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that
> for looks?   Hardness?  Both?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> David F. Risch
>
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> on behalf of Dennis C.
> via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak
>
> I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled
> them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.
>
> On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats
> Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in
> the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.
>
> I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and
> time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to
> refinish it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was
> wondering if anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking
> for recommendations.
>
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-09 Thread David via CnC-List
So those using Cetol and putting gloss as the last two coats.   Is that for 
looks?   Hardness?  Both?


Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled them 
every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats Cetol 
Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.

Brien Sadler
S/V TAZ
C 35-3

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak (John and Maryann Read)

2018-02-09 Thread Brien Sadler via CnC-List
John and Maryann,

We love here as well and the previous owners were very helpful. They are
great people. We are at Thames Yacht Club during the summer and still up at
Midway in the winter.

Brien Sadler
S/V TAZ
1987 C 35-3
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-08 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
Ditto on Cetol.  Use Cetol Marine.  Each spring, light sand then one thin coat 
and good to go for the season – looks great.  We do cover for the winter

 

BTW, congratulation on buying TAZ.  Know the boat and her prior owners well and 
they loved her.  Welcome to the list.  Where are you located?

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:19 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

 

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled them 
every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.

 

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats Cetol 
Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

 

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.

 

Brien Sadler

S/V TAZ

C 35-3 


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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-07 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
Two years ago I used a fancy Allwood product (I’ll get the name) based on a 
write-in comment that appeared in Practical Sailor.  I followed the 
instructions, including application of a primer coat, and everything looked 
great.  This past spring, after a particularly cold winter, I noticed that 
there was an adhesion issue.  You can see “bubbling” underneath the varnish (or 
whatever it is).  I haven’t decided what to do about it.

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:18 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled them 
every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap. 

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats Cetol 
Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.

  Brien Sadler
  S/V TAZ
  C 35-3 

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-07 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
My outside teak is natural weathered right now. Teak oil was a complete waste 
of time on exterior wood and the 2-part “cleaner” does WAY more damage than 
just leaving it alone.



Joe Della Barba
DCSI
410-966-7255



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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:19 PM
To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled them 
every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats Cetol 
Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in the 
Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and 
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
recommendations.

Brien Sadler
S/V TAZ
C 35-3

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-07 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
I used teak oil on the toe rails of my previous boat.  I religiously oiled
them every few months.  After a few months, they looked like crap.

On Touche' I use Cetol.  Five coats Cetol Marine followed by three coats
Cetol Gloss.  Then a coat of Cetol gloss twice a year.  Over ten years in
the Louisiana sun and still looking pretty good.

I seen dock neighbors use Bristol, teak oil, Semco, etc.  For my money and
time, it's Cetol.  However, I'd be tempted to look hard at Awlwood.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 7, 2018 10:47 AM, "Brien Sadler via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to
> refinish it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was
> wondering if anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking
> for recommendations.
>
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak

2018-02-07 Thread Randy Stafford via CnC-List
I had a pretty good test of that in the past year.  Last offseason I replaced 
Grenadine’s exterior cabintop teak handrails with new ones fabricated by my 
buddy Jerrod Milton.  I finished the new ones (and the teak piece under the 
traveler) with five coats of Cetol Marine Natural Teak followed by three coats 
Cetol Marine Clear.

Then Jerrod made a set of custom teak drink holders for the boat, installed at 
both ends of the cockpit and inboard of the dorade boxes.  He insisted on 
finishing those with teak oil.

After basically one year in the elements, the handrails and traveler piece look 
brand new, just like they did when I got done refinishing them.  But the drink 
holders are weathered as hell.  I’m refinishing them now with Cetol.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Brien Sadler via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> My exterior teak is starting to show signs of wear and it's time to refinish 
> it. It looks as though it has been varnished in the past but was wondering if 
> anyone has just used teak oil on their exterior wood. Looking for 
> recommendations.
> 
> Brien Sadler
> S/V TAZ
> C 35-3
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-02 Thread coltrek via CnC-List


Well,  I'm just jumping in here without knowing this whole thread,  and I don't 
want to cross Bill,  B/C I know that is like throwing raw meat in front of a 
Pit Bull - but- in 2005 when I brought my boat back to the shop for a refit, I 
was using a lot of PPG Concept.  Over the cabin paint, I applied a couple coats 
of PPG Strataclear, B/C they said it was the hardest clear coating they had. (I 
also put ground pearls into it,  which,  by the way looks fabulous) After I had 
done  the teak in cetol, I had some leftover Strataclear in the can, (no 
pearls) and I painted it on the teak around  the companionway as an experiment 
. Over the Cetol.  It still looks fantastic 12 years later. 
Bill Coleman C 39 Erie

 Original message 
From: BillBinaList via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 3/2/17  17:14  (GMT-05:00) 
To: T power <sv_invic...@outlook.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: BillBinaList <billbinal...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 


That stuff is not formulated for use on wood, or
over Cetol! Being a two-part urethane, it will also be a major
job to strip off when it fails. My thought is that it is just
asking for trouble. I looked up Chroma Clear. It is an
industrial finish that is only sold to professionals and
requires an advanced type of NIOSH respirator among other
precautions. People with any sort of respiratory issues or
asthma are warned not to get anywhere near it. Those are my
thoughts! :-)


  


On 3/2/2017 4:18 PM, T power wrote:



  
  
  
Any thoughts on this process.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ

  

  

  



  
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  FINISHING INC, Boat teak restoration
  
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1986" Your full service painting contractor. BOAT
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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

  Cc: Bill Bina - gmail

  Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish
  Recommendation?
 
  
  
Putting anything on top of
  Cetol sort of defeats its main advantage. Cetol breathes,
  which is beneficial to the wood, and maintenance is easy
  because a quick scrub with plain water and a 3M kitchen
  scrubby is all the prep work usually required to add a
  fresh coat or two when needed. The slight softness is a
  PLUS. If you top coat it, you lose all of that.and may as
  well just do labor intensive varnish without the Cetol.
Bill Bina




On 3/2/2017 9:46 AM, Chuck Saur via
  CnC-List wrote:



  Our boatyard manager (graduate of Great Lakes
School of Wooden Boatbuilding) told me Cetol should be
coated with at least 2 coats of Captain's Varnish (or
similar?).  Says Cetol finish by itself is too soft for his
liking.  Has worked great for me...


  

  

  


  


  
Chuck Saur


  

  

  

  



  



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-02 Thread Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
My exterior teak has nothing but the occasional squirt with a hose for the
20 years or so. I used to oil it, but it wore off or turned black so quick I
gave up on it.

I finally have decided to work on it, I have one teak rail home for sanding.
I think sealing with thinned epoxy might be a good first step.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

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To: CnC CnC discussion list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

 

Anyone not finishing teak with varnish and letting it weather (oil/sealer
instead) as an alternative?  Dave

 

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



 

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-02 Thread BillBinaList via CnC-List
That stuff is not formulated for use on wood, or over Cetol! Being a 
two-part urethane, it will also be a major job to strip off when it 
fails. My thought is that it is just asking for trouble. I looked up 
Chroma Clear. It is an industrial finish that is only sold to 
professionals and requires an advanced type of NIOSH respirator among 
other precautions. People with any sort of respiratory issues or asthma 
are warned not to get anywhere near it. Those are my thoughts! :-)




On 3/2/2017 4:18 PM, T power wrote:


Any thoughts on this process.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ>

INTEGRITY FINISHING INC, Boat teak restoration 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ>

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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Bill Bina - gmail
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

Putting anything on top of Cetol sort of defeats its main advantage. 
Cetol breathes, which is beneficial to the wood, and maintenance is 
easy because a quick scrub with plain water and a 3M kitchen scrubby 
is all the prep work usually required to add a fresh coat or two when 
needed. The slight softness is a PLUS. If you top coat it, you lose 
all of that.and may as well just do labor intensive varnish without 
the Cetol.


Bill Bina


On 3/2/2017 9:46 AM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List wrote:
Our boatyard manager (graduate of Great Lakes School of Wooden 
Boatbuilding) told me Cetol should be coated with at least 2 coats of 
Captain's Varnish (or similar?).  Says Cetol finish by itself is too 
soft for his liking.  Has worked great for me...

*
*
*
*
*Chuck Saur*




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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-02 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
Anyone not finishing teak with varnish and letting it weather (oil/sealer 
instead) as an alternative?  Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-02 Thread T power via CnC-List
Any thoughts on this process.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ

[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mNz16sRdpFY/hqdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ>

INTEGRITY FINISHING INC, Boat teak 
restoration<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz16sRdpFY=3=PLLD81Ey5nuIoof2Y9lL-sDWeorU3g7fpZ>
www.youtube.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?


Putting anything on top of Cetol sort of defeats its main advantage. Cetol 
breathes, which is beneficial to the wood, and maintenance is easy because a 
quick scrub with plain water and a 3M kitchen scrubby is all the prep work 
usually required to add a fresh coat or two when needed. The slight softness is 
a PLUS. If you top coat it, you lose all of that.and may as well just do labor 
intensive varnish without the Cetol.

Bill Bina

On 3/2/2017 9:46 AM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List wrote:
Our boatyard manager (graduate of Great Lakes School of Wooden Boatbuilding) 
told me Cetol should be coated with at least 2 coats of Captain's Varnish (or 
similar?).  Says Cetol finish by itself is too soft for his liking.  Has worked 
great for me...


Chuck Saur

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-02 Thread Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List
Putting anything on top of Cetol sort of defeats its main advantage. 
Cetol breathes, which is beneficial to the wood, and maintenance is easy 
because a quick scrub with plain water and a 3M kitchen scrubby is all 
the prep work usually required to add a fresh coat or two when needed. 
The slight softness is a PLUS. If you top coat it, you lose all of 
that.and may as well just do labor intensive varnish without the Cetol.


Bill Bina


On 3/2/2017 9:46 AM, Chuck Saur via CnC-List wrote:
Our boatyard manager (graduate of Great Lakes School of Wooden 
Boatbuilding) told me Cetol should be coated with at least 2 coats of 
Captain's Varnish (or similar?).  Says Cetol finish by itself is too 
soft for his liking.  Has worked great for me...

*
*
*
*
*Chuck Saur*


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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Yep.  I did 3 coats Cetol then 2 coats gloss the first time.  Lasted 4-5
years.  This last time I did 5 coats Cetol followed by 3 coats gloss.  I
think I'm 7 or 8 years out and going strong.  I do a maintenance coat of
gloss spring and fall.

Still get compliments on the brightwork.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:48 PM, RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Because Dennis said so, in his post yesterday :)
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
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> *Cc: *"Patrick Davin" <jda...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:17:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
>
> Just curious, why would you want to do 5 coats of Cetol followed by 3
> coats of Cetol Gloss?
>
> The instructions on the can recommend 3 coats followed by 1 gloss, or 2
> gloss if 1 gloss isn't satisfactory. But 8 coats is something I've only
> ever heard of for varnish, and the lower # of coats required with Cetol is
> one of its primary advantages.
>
> 4 coats on handrails last year took me quite a while, so I can't imagine
> wanting to do 8!
>
> -Patrick
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:54 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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>> From: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
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>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:53:08 + (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
>> Thank you all for the responses and recommendations.
>>
>> For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak
>> followed by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and
>> three coats of the latter initially.  Factors in my decision included
>> recommendations from this list, expected look, reported durability, price
>> (my second choice, Awlwood MA, is a comparatively expensive system),
>> and effort to use properly.  This season I will also clean up other
>> exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it with the same Cetol
>> treatment after cleaning.
>>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread RANDY via CnC-List
Because Dennis said so, in his post yesterday :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 

Just curious, why would you want to do 5 coats of Cetol followed by 3 coats of 
Cetol Gloss? 

The instructions on the can recommend 3 coats followed by 1 gloss, or 2 gloss 
if 1 gloss isn't satisfactory. But 8 coats is something I've only ever heard of 
for varnish, and the lower # of coats required with Cetol is one of its primary 
advantages. 

4 coats on handrails last year took me quite a while, so I can't imagine 
wanting to do 8! 

-Patrick 

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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:53:08 + (UTC) 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 
Thank you all for the responses and recommendations. 

For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak followed 
by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and three coats of 
the latter initially. Factors in my decision included recommendations from this 
list, expected look, reported durability, price (my second choice, Awlwood MA, 
is a comparatively expensive system), and effort to use properly. This season I 
will also clean up other exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it 
with the same Cetol treatment after cleaning. 






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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread Patrick Davin via CnC-List
Just curious, why would you want to do 5 coats of Cetol followed by 3 coats
of Cetol Gloss?

The instructions on the can recommend 3 coats followed by 1 gloss, or 2
gloss if 1 gloss isn't satisfactory. But 8 coats is something I've only
ever heard of for varnish, and the lower # of coats required with Cetol is
one of its primary advantages.

4 coats on handrails last year took me quite a while, so I can't imagine
wanting to do 8!

-Patrick

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> From: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>
> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:53:08 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
> Thank you all for the responses and recommendations.
>
> For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak
> followed by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and
> three coats of the latter initially.  Factors in my decision included
> recommendations from this list, expected look, reported durability, price
> (my second choice, Awlwood MA, is a comparatively expensive system),
> and effort to use properly.  This season I will also clean up other
> exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it with the same Cetol
> treatment after cleaning.
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread RANDY via CnC-List
Thank you all for the responses and recommendations. 

For better or worse I've decided to go with Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak followed 
by Sikkens Cetol Gloss; probably five coats of the former and three coats of 
the latter initially. Factors in my decision included recommendations from this 
list, expected look, reported durability, price (my second choice, Awlwood MA, 
is a comparatively expensive system), and effort to use properly. This season I 
will also clean up other exterior teak besides the new handrails, and treat it 
with the same Cetol treatment after cleaning. 

I did look at the Jamestown Distributors survey results ( 
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/surveyMap.do?surveyId=102 ) 
and there was a recent positive response from a Sikkens user in my area (an 
arid, high-altitude, UV-intense environment). I also read this West Advisor 
article on wood finishes: https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Wood-Finishes, 
and read Don Casey's chapter on wood finishes, which is intensive on varnishing 
and makes only passing mention of "synthetic wood finishes" e.g. Cetol. 

The truth is that anything will look better than the old handrails, which were 
doubtless original (45 years old) and not well-maintained and breaking apart. 
The main question is how will the finish on the new handrails look, how long 
will it last, and how much effort will it take including regular maintenance. 

I put some pictures of Grenadine's new handrails at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTc093OExfMGRBX1E (the last two 
pictures in that folder). These were made by Jerrod Milton on my crew who is a 
very skilled woodworker and who has a very complete wood shop in his garage. I 
found an 11'x6"x1" teak plank for $200 at a local specialty wood store, and was 
able to non-destructively remove the old starboard handrail (pictured) to use 
as template. Jerrod ripped the plank in two lengthwise, stacked the two halves 
and pinned them together with small dowels where the cutouts would be, traced 
the pattern onto the stack from the old handrail template, cut two symmetric 
rails from the stacked half-planks at once on a band saw, then routed the edges 
on a router table and sanded the rails with a spindle sander. 

The new handrails will be nice and beefy, and we'll install them after 
finishing with stout screws pulled tight and butyl tape under the bases. 

Thanks again everyone. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Joel Aronson" <joel.aron...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 7:12:55 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 

Jamestown distributors has a varnish survey. Might be worth a look. 

On The Office I used Cetol Natural Teak and was generally happy with it. On 
Atlantis I started with Interlux Schooner Gold, but have switched to Epiphanes. 
I'm using the RapidClear because you can recoat every 5-6 hours without 
sanding. It takes a couple days to harden, but I'm liking it so far. 

Joel 

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List < 
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I've done both sickens and epiphanies on two different boats. Other than the 
time between coats, I dont see the the benefit to sickens. It seemed softer and 
less deep a finish than the varnish. As far as upkeep, a couple of coats a year 
on either product seems a wash. I'd go with the varnish myself. Although, I 
didn't do this on the new handrails on my last boat, I think I might coat new 
wood with epoxy first then 7 or 8 coats of epiphanies. I did that on the new 
hatch boards of my last boat and was pleasantly surprised with the results! I 
made them out of some marine plywood I had left over from a project on a 
previous boat and I got a lot of compliments on those hatch boards! Lol 

Danny 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device 

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Subject: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 

Listers- 

Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation. 
Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak. I'm 
looking for a clear varnish with UV protection. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List
One popular technique in the tropics is to fill and seal the grain using 
epoxy and then painting the wood with Sears Weatherbeater house paint or 
similar, of a "woody color". This holds up for a very long time under 
the unrelenting tropical sun, and since the paint will not have touched 
the wood or penetrated the grain, it can be easily undone if a future 
owner wants the varnished look (and endless labor) back.


Bill Bina


On 3/1/2017 9:20 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:

Randy,
I have been using Cetol for years on the Great Lakes, and so 
applied it last winter to the much neglected teak on my Florida project boat. 
One summer of southern sunshine (and one hurricane) and it needs it another 
coat. I will take a little more care this year and put more on. One thing that 
has not been mentioned is that the original orange Cetol is orange because it 
contains iron oxide as a UV protectant.

Steve Thomas
C 1980
Merritt Island, FL



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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread Steve Thomas via CnC-List
Randy,
   I have been using Cetol for years on the Great Lakes, and so applied 
it last winter to the much neglected teak on my Florida project boat. One 
summer of southern sunshine (and one hurricane) and it needs it another coat. I 
will take a little more care this year and put more on. One thing that has not 
been mentioned is that the original orange Cetol is orange because it contains 
iron oxide as a UV protectant.  

Steve Thomas
C 1980
Merritt Island, FL

 RANDY via CnC-List  wrote: 
Listers- 

Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation. 
Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak. I'm 
looking for a clear varnish with UV protection. 

Cheers, 
Randy 


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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-03-01 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Jamestown distributors has a varnish survey.  Might be worth a look.

On The Office I used Cetol Natural Teak and was generally happy with it.
On Atlantis I started with Interlux Schooner Gold, but have switched to
Epiphanes.  I'm using the RapidClear because you can recoat every 5-6 hours
without sanding.  It takes a couple days to harden, but I'm liking it so
far.

Joel

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've done both sickens and epiphanies on two different boats.  Other than
> the time between coats, I dont see the the benefit to sickens.  It seemed
> softer and less deep a finish than the varnish.  As far as upkeep, a couple
> of coats a year on either product seems a wash.  I'd  go with the varnish
> myself.  Although,  I didn't do this on the new handrails on my last boat,
>  I think I might coat new wood with epoxy first then 7 or 8 coats of
> epiphanies.  I did that on the new hatch boards of my last boat and was
> pleasantly surprised with the results!  I made them out of some marine
> plywood I had left over from a project on a previous boat and I got a lot
> of compliments on those hatch boards!   Lol
>
> Danny
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>  Original message 
> From: RANDY via CnC-List 
> Date: 2/28/17 2:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: RANDY 
> Subject: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?
>
> Listers-
>
> Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.
> Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.
> I'm looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-02-28 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List
I've done both sickens and epiphanies on two different boats.  Other than the 
time between coats, I dont see the the benefit to sickens.  It seemed softer 
and less deep a finish than the varnish.  As far as upkeep, a couple of coats a 
year on either product seems a wash.  I'd  go with the varnish myself.  
Although,  I didn't do this on the new handrails on my last boat,  I think I 
might coat new wood with epoxy first then 7 or 8 coats of epiphanies.  I did 
that on the new hatch boards of my last boat and was pleasantly surprised with 
the results!  I made them out of some marine plywood I had left over from a 
project on a previous boat and I got a lot of compliments on those hatch 
boards!   Lol
Danny
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 Date: 2/28/17  2:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list 
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Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation? 
Listers-
Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.  
Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.  I'm 
looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-02-28 Thread Michael Brown via CnC-List





I have been using Cetol for a while, same gallon can for 10 years.
It is basically an oil based teak coloured stain, completely different
from a varnish. It works well on Lake Ontario and when the exuberance
during racing requires a touch up I also like the ease of maintenance.


What is the new equivalent to the old just oil Cetol?


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1





From: Fred Hazzard  
 
I like how easy  Cetol is to repair dings and scratches. A light feathering 
sand and apply another coat. 
 
Fred Hazzard 
S/V Fury 
Portland, Or 
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-02-28 Thread Fred Hazzard via CnC-List
I like how easy  Cetol is to repair dings and scratches. A light feathering
sand and apply another coat.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
Portland, Or

On Feb 28, 2017 1:12 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I've been using Sikkens Cetol for years.  5 coats Cetol then 3 coats
clear.  Maintenance coat of clear every 6 months.  Seems to hold up well in
the Gulf Coast sun and heat.

BTW, don't use Cetol light.  Tried that once.  Not pleased.

However, I hear good things about Awlwood.  If I have to strip the wood and
re-apply, I might switch.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Listers-
>
> Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.
> Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.
> I'm looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-02-28 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List
Randy,

I’ll throw in with Awlwood MA. It’s a bit dear price-wise but I’ve found that 
it floats out well and that fewer coats are needed to achieve the same depth of 
gloss that regular varnish requires, ergo less work.

Keep in mind that it is a two-oars (first coat of Primer Clear then over-coated 
with Gloss. You only need the primer for the first coat.

I like it but of course, all my finished woodwork is covered up in my shed 
awaiting installation. Sometime in the distant future…

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Feb 28, 2017, at 2:53 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.  
> Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.  I'm 
> looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-02-28 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
I've been using Sikkens Cetol for years.  5 coats Cetol then 3 coats
clear.  Maintenance coat of clear every 6 months.  Seems to hold up well in
the Gulf Coast sun and heat.

BTW, don't use Cetol light.  Tried that once.  Not pleased.

However, I hear good things about Awlwood.  If I have to strip the wood and
re-apply, I might switch.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Listers-
>
> Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.
> Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.
> I'm looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
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Re: Stus-List Exterior Teak Varnish Recommendation?

2017-02-28 Thread Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Gary — I’ve tried Sikkens in the past, and was less than happy with the 
results.  Last winter, I decided to try Awlwood on my handrails and Dorade 
boxes, and was very pleased with the results.  I hope to do my toerail this 
spring.  It looks like this product is going to hold up well, with a minimum of 
maintenance; and it goes on fast (two hours between coats), so you cn get a lot 
done in a day.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 1:53 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> Grenadine's new exterior handrails are ready for finish and installation.  
> Wanted to see if any of you have a preferred varnish for exterior teak.  I'm 
> looking for a clear varnish with UV protection.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
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