Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
Allen: As you note, there are many different systems out there. My guidelines for buying this type of item are: 1. Buy the best I can afford as it will likely provide the best service. 2. Buy a well known brand as that generally means it works well, is well supported, and will add to the perceived value of the boat for a future purchaser. 3. Buy the size recommended by the manufacturer for the boat. 4. Replace any dubious hardware on the boat that will be associated with the new purchase. For a furler, replace the headstay and fittings if at all questionable. Given the above, I’d buy a Harken. I have installed several on your size boat and have had no complaints. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On May 4, 2014, at 11:17, Allen White via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
I think that two options come to mind: Furlex and Harken. Of the two, i would buy the one that i could get at a better price. No question, follow manufacturer's recommendations regarding the model (size). Unless you have a fairly new stay, i would replace it, as you don't want to do it once the furler is installed. Marek (in Ottawa) -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
Allen, I have a CC 26. I’ve had the boat about 12 years and it came with a Profurl furler. I don’t know how old the furler was when I bought the boat but it’s still going strong. A couple of seasons ago I replaced all the standing rigging including the forestay. Because that meant I would have to disassemble the furler, I replaced all the plastic bearings inside the foil. The furler came apart easily and went together fine too. All I needed were a bunch of plastic bearings. (And I don’t think it was really necessary to replace them - but I had it apart…) Having said that, Rich gives good advice about Harken. They make good kit and you can’t really go wrong with their equipment. sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
Harken. Dennis C. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Allen White via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
Allen, I see you’re thinking of a new sail too. If your old, hank on sail is in good condition you might want to consider having a luff tape installed on that. But, if you’ve got the money, the best investment (by far) for your sailboat is new sails. I bought a new set of sails a few years after I bought the 26. I didn’t think the old sails were that bad, but I was wrong. With new sails it was a different boat. The 26 is a bit tender anyway, but with new sails she stood right up; pointed better; went faster! I’ve since bought a laminate 135% and that is even better. (off topic - the next best investment is self tailers) sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 8:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
I see Harken has a style of furler developed to be affordable for coastal cruising called the ESP. http://www.westmarine.com/big-boat-furlers/harken--esp-jib-furling-and-reefing-boat-length-20-to-28--14136303 At about 1K, it's way more affordable than the more sophisticated Harken units and comparable in price to the cheaper furlers on the market. I would think buying the Harken Unit 0 or 1 would be an issue for a 26 because, by the time you finished the project with rigging, sails, etc., you will have spent big , possibly approaching the value of the boat itself. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
I got my Harken Mark IV Unit 0 on sale at Binnacle.ca for under $1200 and free shipping. Local quotes were up in the range of $1600. Toggle was on sale at Binnacle too. They don't have a sale on right now and of course it doesn't work if you are not in Canada but these units do go on sale fairly often. I think with a CC 26 a Unit 00 would work as well but that's at the upper range for this unit. The Mark IV's have independent top and bottom swivels so that the sail starts furling more evenly over the length of the foil, resulting in better sail shape (or so I am told). The ESP units have a fixed lower swivel. The basket and drum of the Mark IV remove as well for racing. Taking down the old furler, assembling the new one and installing it with a new forestay was probably in the range of another $1,000 from the rigger (I had some other work done too). As far as sails go I ordered a new genoa in January. I looked at North, UK, Doyle, a local loft (Leitch McBride) and a number of the online suppliers. North had boat show pricing but the local loft matched that price and provided a sail made locally. Interesting that the fall-season North Sails 'trade-in' program pricing was substantially less than the mid-winter boat show pricing even though both were identified as '20% off' (leading me to believe that the regional North loft gets a lot better 'factory-supported' pricing for the trade-in program than they can supply for boat show season). I also noted that some of the online sail companies give discounts for multiple sails too. I'm not sure what other sales are available throughout the year, but it might just be worth it to wait and buy your components as you can get the best deals. Peter Fell Sidney, BC CC 27 MkIII -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 7:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
That was me that talked about the super furl. The beauty of the superfurl was the quality for the price and not needing a new sail. I installed the furler and new slugs on the sail myself myself. I wouldn't hesitate to use another one on my boat. I would have to look but, I think I paid about $800 for the one on my 22' o'day and installation was free. Danny From my Android phone Original message From: Allen White via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 05/04/2014 10:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
I install and service roller furlers. There are some good ones and there are some that are junk. If I was installing a new furler on Touché, it would be a Harken MKIV. The price differential for the smaller furlers over Harken's cruising furlers isn't that great. The MKIV 's are bombproof. I've had a Harken Unit 1 MKIII on Touché for 15 years and it has performed flawlessly in all conditions. I just furled it in the last hour. Furled easily. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I got my Harken Mark IV Unit 0 on sale at Binnacle.ca for under $1200 and free shipping. Local quotes were up in the range of $1600. Toggle was on sale at Binnacle too. They don't have a sale on right now and of course it doesn't work if you are not in Canada but these units do go on sale fairly often. I think with a CC 26 a Unit 00 would work as well but that's at the upper range for this unit. The Mark IV's have independent top and bottom swivels so that the sail starts furling more evenly over the length of the foil, resulting in better sail shape (or so I am told). The ESP units have a fixed lower swivel. The basket and drum of the Mark IV remove as well for racing. Taking down the old furler, assembling the new one and installing it with a new forestay was probably in the range of another $1,000 from the rigger (I had some other work done too). As far as sails go I ordered a new genoa in January. I looked at North, UK, Doyle, a local loft (Leitch McBride) and a number of the online suppliers. North had boat show pricing but the local loft matched that price and provided a sail made locally. Interesting that the fall-season North Sails 'trade-in' program pricing was substantially less than the mid-winter boat show pricing even though both were identified as '20% off' (leading me to believe that the regional North loft gets a lot better 'factory-supported' pricing for the trade-in program than they can supply for boat show season). I also noted that some of the online sail companies give discounts for multiple sails too. I'm not sure what other sales are available throughout the year, but it might just be worth it to wait and buy your components as you can get the best deals. Peter Fell Sidney, BC CC 27 MkIII -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 7:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
If you have rod rigging, the Harken is the only one that goes over rod. It makes no sense to buy a cheaper firler and a new headstay IMHO. Joel On Sunday, May 4, 2014, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I install and service roller furlers. There are some good ones and there are some that are junk. If I was installing a new furler on Touché, it would be a Harken MKIV. The price differential for the smaller furlers over Harken's cruising furlers isn't that great. The MKIV 's are bombproof. I've had a Harken Unit 1 MKIII on Touché for 15 years and it has performed flawlessly in all conditions. I just furled it in the last hour. Furled easily. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:; wrote: I got my Harken Mark IV Unit 0 on sale at Binnacle.ca for under $1200 and free shipping. Local quotes were up in the range of $1600. Toggle was on sale at Binnacle too. They don't have a sale on right now and of course it doesn't work if you are not in Canada but these units do go on sale fairly often. I think with a CC 26 a Unit 00 would work as well but that's at the upper range for this unit. The Mark IV's have independent top and bottom swivels so that the sail starts furling more evenly over the length of the foil, resulting in better sail shape (or so I am told). The ESP units have a fixed lower swivel. The basket and drum of the Mark IV remove as well for racing. Taking down the old furler, assembling the new one and installing it with a new forestay was probably in the range of another $1,000 from the rigger (I had some other work done too). As far as sails go I ordered a new genoa in January. I looked at North, UK, Doyle, a local loft (Leitch McBride) and a number of the online suppliers. North had boat show pricing but the local loft matched that price and provided a sail made locally. Interesting that the fall-season North Sails 'trade-in' program pricing was substantially less than the mid-winter boat show pricing even though both were identified as '20% off' (leading me to believe that the regional North loft gets a lot better 'factory-supported' pricing for the trade-in program than they can supply for boat show season). I also noted that some of the online sail companies give discounts for multiple sails too. I'm not sure what other sales are available throughout the year, but it might just be worth it to wait and buy your components as you can get the best deals. Peter Fell Sidney, BC CC 27 MkIII -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 7:17 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:; Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26. Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem to get a different answer from each person I ask this question: What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat? Allen Allen White 1977 C C 26 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
