Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Ed Dooley via CnC-List 
What about Polyethers? Flexible, adheres to plastics (3M 4000UV does anyway).
Here’s what West Marine says about them:  Polyether: One of the most exposure 
resistant sealants, unaffected by teak oils or cleaners, permanently flexible, 
and sandable. West Marine Multi-Caulk is an excellent choice for wood, metal, 
or fiberglass but will attack some plastics. However, 3M 4000UV 
<https://www.westmarine.com/buy/3m--4000-uv-polyether-adhesive-sealant-white-10-oz-cartridge--3760196>
 is rated as being safe for all plastics.
Ed




> 
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.
> Date: April 10, 2018 at 10:54:56 AM EDT
> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> 
> 
> In my opinion, the issue with many sealants is they "cure" or set.  So a 
> polyurethane or silicone sets and becomes less flexible.  Further, many of 
> those sealants do not adhere tenaciously to metal.
> 
> Butyl tape, on the other hand, remains sticky and pliable for a long, long 
> time.  That means it will flex with any movement in the hardware without 
> breaking the seal.
> 
> I still use LifeSeal for many applications where there is little potential 
> for movement.  But I'm switching to Butyl tape for bedding anything that may 
> flex.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I have to do the same thing, again.  Used Lifecaulk in August, 2015 and 
> noticed last month one chainplate was damp, and the boat is still under its 
> winter cover. 
> 
>  
> 
> The Maine Sail tape seems to be the favorite bedding material of the list.  
> What is the “life expectancy” of a chainplate seal using this material in the 
> wild?  For bedding hardware he shows examples of 29 years, but the rigging / 
> chainplate / deck interface does move [plus temperature variations from 
> summer to winter plus differing expansion properties] so would guess it would 
> take more frequent maintenance.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List
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> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.
> 
>  
> 
> I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.  
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape 
> <http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape>
>  
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> 
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck when 
> rebedding a chainplate.  4000?
> 
>  
> 
> Your assistance is much appreciated.  
> 
>  
> 
> Glen Eddie
> 
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> 
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List S

Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Schiller via CnC-List 
I wish I would have discovered butyl years ago.  I traditionally used life 
caulk and redid it when it looked like it needed.  My advice to C owners 
is to remove the teak cover off the cabin side of the upper shroud chain plate 
to look for leakage.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #28
“Grace”
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

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> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:54 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the issue with many sealants is they "cure" or set.  So a 
> polyurethane or silicone sets and becomes less flexible.  Further, many of 
> those sealants do not adhere tenaciously to metal.
> 
> Butyl tape, on the other hand, remains sticky and pliable for a long, long 
> time.  That means it will flex with any movement in the hardware without 
> breaking the seal.
> 
> I still use LifeSeal for many applications where there is little potential 
> for movement.  But I'm switching to Butyl tape for bedding anything that may 
> flex.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> I have to do the same thing, again.  Used Lifecaulk in August, 2015 and 
>> noticed last month one chainplate was damp, and the boat is still under its 
>> winter cover. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The Maine Sail tape seems to be the favorite bedding material of the list.  
>> What is the “life expectancy” of a chainplate seal using this material in 
>> the wild?  For bedding hardware he shows examples of 29 years, but the 
>> rigging / chainplate / deck interface does move [plus temperature variations 
>> from summer to winter plus differing expansion properties] so would guess it 
>> would take more frequent maintenance.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:02 AM
>> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> 
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck 
>> when rebedding a chainplate.  4000?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Your assistance is much appreciated.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Glen Eddie
>> 
>> Tel: 416-777-5357
>> 
>> Fax: 1-888-812-2557
>> 
>> ged...@torkinmanes.com
>> 
>> VCard
>> 
>> 
>> Torkin Manes LLP
>> Barristers & Solicitors
>> 
>> 151 Yonge Street, Suite 1500
>> Toronto ON M5C 2W7
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>> 
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Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
In my opinion, the issue with many sealants is they "cure" or set.  So a
polyurethane or silicone sets and becomes less flexible.  Further, many of
those sealants do not adhere tenaciously to metal.

Butyl tape, on the other hand, remains sticky and pliable for a long, long
time.  That means it will flex with any movement in the hardware without
breaking the seal.

I still use LifeSeal for many applications where there is little potential
for movement.  But I'm switching to Butyl tape for bedding anything that
may flex.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have to do the same thing, again.  Used Lifecaulk in August, 2015 and
> noticed last month one chainplate was damp, and the boat is still under its
> winter cover.
>
>
>
> The Maine Sail tape seems to be the favorite bedding material of the
> list.  What is the “life expectancy” of a chainplate seal using this
> material in the wild?  For bedding hardware he shows examples of 29 years,
> but the rigging / chainplate / deck interface does move [plus temperature
> variations from summer to winter plus differing expansion properties] so
> would guess it would take more frequent maintenance.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:02 AM
> *To:* CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Cc:* Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.
>
>
>
> I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.
>
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck
> when rebedding a chainplate.  4000?
>
>
>
> Your assistance is much appreciated.
> --
>
>
>
> *Glen Eddie*
>
> Tel: 416-777-5357
>
> Fax: 1-888-812-2557
>
> ged...@torkinmanes.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List 
Glen,

 

Check out this video on YouTube.  It is for an Island Packet, but covers the 
process quite well.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L-hf5607AI 
 =6s

 

Sincerely,

 

Neil Andersen - Broker



Office:  410 571-3605 or 410-639-2777

Cell: 484-354-8800

Email: n...@sjyachts.com  

Website: www.sjyachts.com  

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen Eddie 
Subject: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

 

Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck when 
rebedding a chainplate.  4000? 

 

Your assistance is much appreciated.  

  _  

 


Glen Eddie


Tel: 416-777-5357


Fax: 1-888-812-2557


ged...@torkinmanes.com  


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Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
I have to do the same thing, again.  Used Lifecaulk in August, 2015 and noticed 
last month one chainplate was damp, and the boat is still under its winter 
cover.  

 

The Maine Sail tape seems to be the favorite bedding material of the list.  
What is the “life expectancy” of a chainplate seal using this material in the 
wild?  For bedding hardware he shows examples of 29 years, but the rigging / 
chainplate / deck interface does move [plus temperature variations from summer 
to winter plus differing expansion properties] so would guess it would take 
more frequent maintenance. 

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:02 AM
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

 

I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.  

 

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck when 
rebedding a chainplate.  4000? 

 

Your assistance is much appreciated.  


  _  


 


Glen Eddie


Tel: 416-777-5357


Fax: 1-888-812-2557


ged...@torkinmanes.com <mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com> 


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Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Mark McMenamy via CnC-List 
I second the butyl tape.   I've found it to be the best long term solution.  
But make sure to get the stuff from Compass Marine.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 Icicle

On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:23 AM, Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
> wrote:

I rebedded Wind N Spirits chainplates with 4000. Worked great and no more 
leaking.

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Cc: "Glen Eddie" >
Sent: 4/10/2018 8:18:32 AM
Subject: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.


Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck when 
rebedding a chainplate.  4000?

Your assistance is much appreciated.




Glen Eddie
Tel: 416-777-5357
Fax: 1-888-812-2557
ged...@torkinmanes.com
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Re: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.

2018-04-10 Thread Glenn Gambel via CnC-List 
I rebedded Wind N Spirits chainplates with 4000. Worked great and no 
more leaking.


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Cc: "Glen Eddie" 
Sent: 4/10/2018 8:18:32 AM
Subject: Stus-List Sealant for chainplates.



Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the 
deck when rebedding a chainplate.  4000?


Your assistance is much appreciated.





Glen Eddie
Tel: 416-777-5357
Fax: 1-888-812-2557
ged...@torkinmanes.com
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2018-04-10 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
I just re-bedded Touche's chain plates with Bed-It butyl tape.

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Can someone with a 35 mkI or II let me know the sealant used at the deck
> when rebedding a chainplate.  4000?
>
> Your assistance is much appreciated.
>
> --
>
>
> Glen Eddie
> Tel: 416-777-5357
> Fax: 1-888-812-2557
> ged...@torkinmanes.com
> VCard 
> Torkin Manes LLP
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