Fascinating discussion, but almost impossible to follow because of the 
addition of all the previous messages to the new message -- I have to parse the 
thing over and over to find out what's new. As Todd, the listmaster, [and 
thanks Todd, for your efforts] and his predecessors have urged, can you somehow 
delete the message(s) to which you're replying? It would sure save confusion 
(at least for some of us who subscribe to Cobirds via the digest). 

I have always thought that White-winged not only had extra white in the 
rectrices but that they are consistently larger than the other juncos, 
including Pink-sided. Sometimes we see juncos here, White-winged, I think: 
gray, no wing bars, but obviously larger than the others. Usually they display 
extra white in the tail. And my impression, like Bruce Webb's, is of a 
pearlier, more neutral gray, not dark gray, irrespective of whether or not they 
sport white wing bars. Also, my impression: Slate-colored tend to have darker 
gray plumage. 

This winter I've noticed a couple of non-White-winged juncos with white wing 
bars; pink-sided type and Oregon type. I guess the juncos all belong to the 
same species, and they don't always mate with carbon copies. 

 

Hugh Kingery 
Franktown, CO
 

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