Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Ross Tulloch via Cocoa-dev
> Nothing explicit is said about it, but none of the public-facing pages > mention either Cocoa or Objective-C. It's all SwiftUI and Swift. Searches > still show pages for them, but not the clickable links I followed. Try: developer.apple.com -> Click “Develop” -> Click “Documentation” (both at

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-19 Thread Saagar Jha via Cocoa-dev
Based on the listing, I’d guess UWP. Saagar Jha > On Nov 19, 2019, at 21:18, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > >> On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Charles wrote: >> >> Apple released iTunes for Windows in October 2003. >> > > > Apple just posted a job opening for a Senior Soft

Re: Thoughts on Objective-C++

2019-11-19 Thread Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Richard Charles wrote: > > Apple released iTunes for Windows in October 2003. > Apple just posted a job opening for a Senior Software Engineer- Windows Media Apps. It would be interesting to know how they plan on porting the new macOS media apps to Windows and

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Saagar Jha via Cocoa-dev
Saagar Jha > On Nov 19, 2019, at 20:01, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Pier Bover via Cocoa-dev >> wrote: >> >>> When/if Apple decides to deprecate Cocoa they will announce it many years >>> ahead of time >>> >> >> Like they did with 32 bits a

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Pier Bover via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > >> When/if Apple decides to deprecate Cocoa they will announce it many years >> ahead of time >> > > Like they did with 32 bits and OpenGL deprecation? > The 32 bit depreciation has had a lot of discussion on this thread.

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Rob Petrovec via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 6:24 PM, Pier Bover wrote: > > > When/if Apple decides to deprecate Cocoa they will announce it many years > > ahead of time > > Like they did with 32 bits and OpenGL deprecation? Yes, exactly. 32Bit was deprecated in 2012 and officially killed in 2019. OpenG

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Pier Bover via Cocoa-dev
> When/if Apple decides to deprecate Cocoa they will announce it many years ahead of time Like they did with 32 bits and OpenGL deprecation? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Rob Petrovec via Cocoa-dev
The sky is not falling. When/if Apple decides to deprecate Cocoa they will announce it many years ahead of time, like they did for Carbon back in 2012 (which was only officially killed in 2019). They typically make announcements like that at a WWDC. They aren’t going to stop supporting it and

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Gary L. Wade via Cocoa-dev
There seems to be a misunderstanding that just because the word “Cocoa” doesn’t appear, nor "Objective-C” in the latest WWDC videos to a great extent, that they are no longer relevant. If you watch any of the videos to the end, you’ll notice that rather than repeating every detail every year, t

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Gerald Henriksen via Cocoa-dev
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 13:51:14 -0700, you wrote: >When committing to 64 bit Apple said NO to Carbon but YES to Cocoa and YES to >Core Foundation and YES to a lot of other stuff. The OS still has the XNU >(Mach) Kernel and FreeBSD (written in C & C++), the Cocoa frameworks (base >layer written in

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Jens Alfke via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > If I understand it correctly, there is a linkage between Swift and > Objective-C. Apple devised a way to call the Cocoa frameworks written in > Objective-C from the Swift language using the magic of the LLVM compiler.

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > I have been poking around on developer.apple.com, trying to get the big > picture on the future of Cocoa for Mac. Ditto for the future of big apps. > Send an email to Aaron Hillegass. He might be able to give yo

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Tim McGaughy via Cocoa-dev
This. So much this. On 11/19/19, Steve Mills via Cocoa-dev wrote: > You should use an external poll site for this rather than filling the list > with yet another thread full of discussions and arguments. > > Steve via iPhone > >> On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:42, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev >>

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Rob Petrovec via Cocoa-dev
+1 Also, the reference docs can be toggled between Obj-C & Swift via the “Language” popup at the top of the page. —Rob > On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Steve Mills via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > You should use an external poll site for this rather than filling the list > with yet another thread

Re: Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Steve Mills via Cocoa-dev
You should use an external poll site for this rather than filling the list with yet another thread full of discussions and arguments. Steve via iPhone > On Nov 19, 2019, at 10:42, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Before I email comments to Apple, it would help to know more abo

Future of Cocoa

2019-11-19 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
I have been poking around on developer.apple.com, trying to get the big picture on the future of Cocoa for Mac. Ditto for the future of big apps. Nothing explicit is said about it, but none of the public-facing pages mention either Cocoa or Objective-C. It's all SwiftUI and Swift. Searches still