Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-31 Thread Aaron Fothergill
back in the old days of the Apple ][, apps used to be able to check the ROMS, specifically the bit that displayed "Apple ][" on startup as the clones would normally have something different there to avoid copyright theft being added to their list of crimes. I believe Nintendo still do somet

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-31 Thread Andrew Merenbach
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Andrew Merenbach wrote: On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Chris Suter wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Matt Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >wrote: Then shouldn't you be able to determine if they are using a hackintosh by the descriptions of support requests th

Re: [Moderator] Re: Checking for Hackintosh

2008-07-31 Thread Matt Burnett
are you familiar with the term "conflict of interest"? On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:18 PM, CocoaDev Admins wrote: this type of comment isn't productive or appropriate for the list. scott [moderator] On 30-Jul-08, at 8:06 PM, Matt Burnett wrote: The OP needs to get off his high horse and come to t

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Andrew Merenbach
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Chris Suter wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Matt Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >wrote: Then shouldn't you be able to determine if they are using a hackintosh by the descriptions of support requests they are submitting? Sure, if customers are willing to d

[Moderator] Re: Checking for Hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread CocoaDev Admins
this type of comment isn't productive or appropriate for the list. scott [moderator] On 30-Jul-08, at 8:06 PM, Matt Burnett wrote: The OP needs to get off his high horse and come to the realization that some people are a bit more clever than him (or Apple). But anyways you guys all forgot

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Dave DeLong
I'd just like to point out that since hackintoshes are not reliable machines, it seems a bit odd to search for a reliable way to identify them. Dave On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Chris Suter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just making the point that it would be useful to be able to detect >

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Dustin Robert Kick
Why not have the error messages simply be error messages, and leave out the "clever" which I think is always a bad idea, anyway, in almost any domain? Have it report an error that has a number indicating a possible hackintosh, and double check if it is a hackintosh issue, or a bug in your

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Chris Suter
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Matt Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Then shouldn't you be able to determine if they are using a hackintosh by > the descriptions of support requests they are submitting? Sure, if customers are willing to disclose that they're running on a Hackintosh which is

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Matt Burnett
Then shouldn't you be able to determine if they are using a hackintosh by the descriptions of support requests they are submitting? If not are you sure your code checks return values and is designed to fail gracefully? On Jul 30, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Chris Suter wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Chris Suter
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Michael Ash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, John Joyce > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anybody have a means or a tool for checking for hackintoshes? > > I really don't approve of such things and would like to leave clever > > m

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Ash
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, John Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anybody have a means or a tool for checking for hackintoshes? > I really don't approve of such things and would like to leave clever > messages on my own software if it is run on a hackintosh. I really strongly advise a

Re: Checking for Hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread I. Savant
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Matt Burnett wrote: The OP needs to get off his high horse and come to the realization that some people are a bit more clever than him (or Apple). ... unnecessary and unproductive. -- I.S. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list

Re: Checking for Hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Matt Burnett
The OP needs to get off his high horse and come to the realization that some people are a bit more clever than him (or Apple). But anyways you guys all forgot something big, virtualization. Can't OS X Server 10.5 be (legally) virtualized? Any hardware checks will either break in a virtualiz

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Kyle Richter
rwise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Devon Ferns Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:42 PM To: Tim McGaughy Cc: cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Checking for hackintosh Someone hacks the OS X kernel to bypass Apple's ch

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Rob Napier
On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Sean McBride wrote: On 7/30/08 2:06 PM, Abernathy, Joshua said: Seeing as how the OS itself thinks it's running on Apple hardware, I have no idea how you, running on the OS, would detect otherwise. And any solution one comes up with is likely to be fragile and

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread I. Savant
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Charles Steinman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really don't think that's a good idea. Hackintosh builders will just hack > around it if they care, and you're just asking for the test to get tripped up > and start accusing legitimate Mac users. Agreed. A compa

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, John Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really don't approve of such things and would like to leave clever > messages on my own software if it is run on a hackintosh. So what if you "don't care for such things." You are setting yourself up for a major liability

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Charles Steinman
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, John Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anybody have a means or a tool for checking for > hackintoshes? > I really don't approve of such things and would like to > leave clever > messages on my own software if it is run on a hackintosh. I really don't think that's a go

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Sean McBride
On 7/30/08 2:06 PM, Abernathy, Joshua said: >Seeing as how the OS itself thinks it's running on Apple hardware, I >have no idea how you, running on the OS, would detect otherwise. And any solution one comes up with is likely to be fragile and possibly fail with new genuine hardware. IMNSHO, you

Re: Checking for Hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Scott Lahteine
Hi, There are a couple of ways to definitively test for a hackintosh. You could look at the IO Registry for unusual hardware configurations. But as it happens, the latest Hackintosh kernels all use custom Machine Type strings. So you can test to see if it's one of the known Mac models, an

RE: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Abernathy, Joshua
hy Cc: cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Checking for hackintosh Someone hacks the OS X kernel to bypass Apple's checks for a legitimate Macintosh and usually posts it to some p2p site where people steal(copyright infringe) it and run it on their home build PCs. Devon Tim McGa

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Devon Ferns
Someone hacks the OS X kernel to bypass Apple's checks for a legitimate Macintosh and usually posts it to some p2p site where people steal(copyright infringe) it and run it on their home build PCs. Devon Tim McGaughy wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:22 PM, John Joyce wrote: Does anybody have a

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Steve Christensen
On Jul 30, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Tim McGaughy wrote: On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:22 PM, John Joyce wrote: Does anybody have a means or a tool for checking for hackintoshes? I really don't approve of such things and would like to leave clever messages on my own software if it is run on a hackintosh.

Re: Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-30 Thread Tim McGaughy
On Jul 29, 2008, at 9:22 PM, John Joyce wrote: Does anybody have a means or a tool for checking for hackintoshes? I really don't approve of such things and would like to leave clever messages on my own software if it is run on a hackintosh. What's a hackintosh? _

Checking for hackintosh

2008-07-29 Thread John Joyce
Does anybody have a means or a tool for checking for hackintoshes? I really don't approve of such things and would like to leave clever messages on my own software if it is run on a hackintosh. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com)