Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-12 Thread Charles Srstka via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Xojo is new to me, but it appears more a SwiftUI than a Cocoa substitute. Xojo is just the new name for RealBASIC, which has been around forever. It wouldn’t be my first choice. Charles

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-11 Thread Tor Arne Vestbø via Cocoa-dev
> On 11 Dec 2019, at 21:35, Gabriel Zachmann via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > >> QT is probably the most viable cross-platform tool, but steep learning >> curve and mediocre GUI. Will it survive if Cocoa is deprecated? > > Good question - I have no idea. > > But I suggest you reach out to the

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-11 Thread Gabriel Zachmann via Cocoa-dev
> QT is probably the most viable cross-platform tool, but steep learning > curve and mediocre GUI. Will it survive if Cocoa is deprecated? Good question - I have no idea. But I suggest you reach out to the support, or ask on Qt's forums about roadmaps, or meet them in person at an

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-11 Thread Andreas Falkenhahn via Cocoa-dev
On 11.12.2019 at 00:57 Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev wrote: > wxWidgets is still Carbon, with an incomplete Cocoa fork. No, wxWidgets has a very stable, complete and usable Cocoa backend and it's not nearly as bloated as Qt. -- Best regards, Andreas Falkenhahn

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
>> Apple has absolutely zero need to deliver a cross-OS-platform Totally agreed. The issue isn't Apple vs Microsoft, it's iOS vs macOS. >> If you're so absolutely set on cross-platform, leave the cross-platform work to those who do that We had a good 30-year run selling on both Mac & Windows:

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Glenn L. Austin via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > >> On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev >> wrote: >> >> Thoughts? >> > > > What if Apple were to open source Foundation, Core Data, etc., most every > thing but the UI so that

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Richard Charles via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: > > Thoughts? > What if Apple were to open source Foundation, Core Data, etc., most every thing but the UI so that developers could more easily generate cross platform apps. Recently visited this Microsoft web

Re: Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Steve Mills via Cocoa-dev
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 11:56, Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev > wrote: tl;dr Oh god NOOO! Steve via iPhone ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact

Future of Cocoa #2

2019-12-10 Thread Turtle Creek Software via Cocoa-dev
Someone here suggested that I use an Apple DTS incident to ask about Cocoa's future, so I filed one Nov 19th. Still no reply. Ditto for a dev forum post, and an email to Aaron Hillegass. Meanwhile, we've been thinking about what to say to Apple that might help make our future app development