Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-20 Thread Nimesh Neema 
Amazing and neatly organised collection Kevin.

Thanks for sharing.

Nimesh

On 19 May 2017 at 22:17, Kevin Brock  wrote:

> I’ve got a collection here:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dlhxh9birw1lhp9/AABA3_
> yvSRwjOBA84LxD3RzIa?dl=0
>
> Ranging from 2010-2014.
>
>
> Kevin
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 00:32, Nimesh Neema  wrote:
> >
> > I have a few lying around here:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0h56lj0dky27m9/
> AADbwmnbhu8I6DRVldV8Lum0a?dl=0
> >
> > See if you find anything of use.
> >
> > Nimesh
> >
> > On 25 April 2017 at 23:50, David Hoerl  wrote:
> >
> >> I've googled til my fingers are black and blue, but no luck finding some
> >> of the older PDF guide documents. I could never express in words how
> >> disappointed I am that Apple discontinued producing readable
> documentation
> >> - I use to crow about it to all my non-Apple dev friends.
> >>
> >> Anyway, does anyone know of a place that stashed copies away? I'm fine
> >> with reading 5 year old documentation to get the big picture, then make
> >> annotations on paper copies, finally go online to see if anything of
> >> interest changed.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any pointers!
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> PS: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/100458
> >>
> >> Note - I have some myself, but didn't keep them up to date so some way
> old
> >> (never thought they'd go away). Need one? Email me and I'll send if
> have it.
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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-19 Thread sqwarqDev 
Probably of limited interest, but I collected all the pdf Apple Developer 
documentation relating to AppleScript here a couple of years back:

https://applescriptlibrary.wordpress.com


Best


Phil
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> On 19 May 2017, at 23:47, Kevin Brock  wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a collection here:
> 
>   
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dlhxh9birw1lhp9/AABA3_yvSRwjOBA84LxD3RzIa?dl=0
> 
> Ranging from 2010-2014.
> 
> 
> Kevin
> 
>> On May 11, 2017, at 00:32, Nimesh Neema  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a few lying around here:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0h56lj0dky27m9/AADbwmnbhu8I6DRVldV8Lum0a?dl=0
>> 
>> See if you find anything of use.
>> 
>> Nimesh
>> 
>> On 25 April 2017 at 23:50, David Hoerl  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've googled til my fingers are black and blue, but no luck finding some
>>> of the older PDF guide documents. I could never express in words how
>>> disappointed I am that Apple discontinued producing readable documentation
>>> - I use to crow about it to all my non-Apple dev friends.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, does anyone know of a place that stashed copies away? I'm fine
>>> with reading 5 year old documentation to get the big picture, then make
>>> annotations on paper copies, finally go online to see if anything of
>>> interest changed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any pointers!
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> PS: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/100458
>>> 
>>> Note - I have some myself, but didn't keep them up to date so some way old
>>> (never thought they'd go away). Need one? Email me and I'll send if have it.
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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-19 Thread Kevin Brock 
I’ve got a collection here:


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dlhxh9birw1lhp9/AABA3_yvSRwjOBA84LxD3RzIa?dl=0

Ranging from 2010-2014.


Kevin

> On May 11, 2017, at 00:32, Nimesh Neema  wrote:
> 
> I have a few lying around here:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0h56lj0dky27m9/AADbwmnbhu8I6DRVldV8Lum0a?dl=0
> 
> See if you find anything of use.
> 
> Nimesh
> 
> On 25 April 2017 at 23:50, David Hoerl  wrote:
> 
>> I've googled til my fingers are black and blue, but no luck finding some
>> of the older PDF guide documents. I could never express in words how
>> disappointed I am that Apple discontinued producing readable documentation
>> - I use to crow about it to all my non-Apple dev friends.
>> 
>> Anyway, does anyone know of a place that stashed copies away? I'm fine
>> with reading 5 year old documentation to get the big picture, then make
>> annotations on paper copies, finally go online to see if anything of
>> interest changed.
>> 
>> Thanks for any pointers!
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> PS: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/100458
>> 
>> Note - I have some myself, but didn't keep them up to date so some way old
>> (never thought they'd go away). Need one? Email me and I'll send if have it.
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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-19 Thread Alastair Houghton 
On 19 May 2017, at 15:17, Richard Charles  wrote:
> 
>> Honestly. The fact that Apple now actively prevents us from having access to 
>> such lovely, useful, EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND SEARCH documents like these is 
>> just so disappointing.
> 
> Very well said.

The sad part is that there’s still a lot of great documentation there; it’s 
just been made much harder to use ever since it was overhauled to add the 
Swift-centric version.  My particular pet peeve is if you look up a constant - 
in the older docs, it used to take you to a list of related constants, which 
often had references to the functions they were used with in the description at 
the end.  Now you just get a (typically) one line description of that constant, 
with no useful links to anything else.

IMO whoever at Apple is responsible for documentation has dropped the ball.  
Let’s hope they can turn it around.

Kind regards,

Alastair.

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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-19 Thread Richard Charles 

> On May 19, 2017, at 1:00 AM, Alex Zavatone  wrote:
> 
>> On May 11, 2017, at 2:32 AM, Nimesh Neema  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a few lying around here:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0h56lj0dky27m9/AADbwmnbhu8I6DRVldV8Lum0a?dl=0
>> 
>> See if you find anything of use.
>> 
>> Namesh
> 
> Ohhh, so lovely.  
> 
> Honestly. The fact that Apple now actively prevents us from having access to 
> such lovely, useful, EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND SEARCH documents like these is 
> just so disappointing.

Very well said.

> I know it’s preaching to the choir, but not having access to documents like 
> these and Apple no longer providing them IN THIS FORMAT and IN THIS LAYOUT is 
> not helping to make our lives any easier.
> 
> Maybe Gruber will get the clue to simply MAKE THESE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE TO US 
> AGAIN.
> 
> Honestly it’s simply idiotic to not have docs like this available and easily 
> accessible.

My introduction to this exchange was not very clear. Jon Gruber was the 
journalist asking the question about a theory regarding Apple wanting everyone 
to switch to an iPad someday. The Apple executives listening to the question 
were Phil Schiller, Craig Federighi, and John Ternus each one a vice president. 
The fact that this discussion even took place was unprecedented for Apple.

Each vice president responded to the question assuring the journalists that 
Apple deeply cares about the Mac. Hopefully these executives will get the 
message that regardless of how sincerely they care about the Mac, Apple's 
current iPad and iPhone centric developer documentation is horrible on a Mac.

--Richard Charles

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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-19 Thread Alex Zavatone 

> On May 11, 2017, at 2:32 AM, Nimesh Neema  wrote:
> 
> I have a few lying around here:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0h56lj0dky27m9/AADbwmnbhu8I6DRVldV8Lum0a?dl=0
> 
> See if you find anything of use.
> 
> Namesh

Ohhh, so lovely.  

Honestly. The fact that Apple now actively prevents us from having access to 
such lovely, useful, EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND SEARCH documents like these is just 
so disappointing. 

Thank you Namesh.

I know it’s preaching to the choir, but not having access to documents like 
these and Apple no longer providing them IN THIS FORMAT and IN THIS LAYOUT is 
not helping to make our lives any easier.

Maybe Gruber will get the clue to simply MAKE THESE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE TO US 
AGAIN.

Honestly it’s simply idiotic to not have docs like this available and easily 
accessible.
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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-11 Thread Richard Charles 

> On Apr 25, 2017, at 12:20 PM, David Hoerl  wrote:
> 
> I've googled til my fingers are black and blue, but no luck finding some of 
> the older PDF guide documents. I could never express in words how 
> disappointed I am that Apple discontinued producing readable documentation - 
> I use to crow about it to all my non-Apple dev friends.
> 
> Anyway, does anyone know of a place that stashed copies away? I'm fine with 
> reading 5 year old documentation to get the big picture, then make 
> annotations on paper copies, finally go online to see if anything of interest 
> changed.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers!
> 
> David
> 
> PS: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/100458
> 
> Note - I have some myself, but didn't keep them up to date so some way old 
> (never thought they'd go away). Need one? Email me and I'll send if have it.

Here are links to old style documentation before it was changed.

Mac Developer Library September 11, 2014

https://web.archive.org/web/20140911155409/https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/navigation/

iOS Developer Library October 21, 2014

https://web.archive.org/web/20141021181308/https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/navigation/

It seems abundantly clear to me that the new style documentation was designed 
by Apple for presentation on an an iPad or iPhone. It is beautiful to behold 
but designed for the lowest common denominator. This has resulted in 
documentation that is unreadable, unsearchable, and unusable. Also your fingers 
will go black and blue navigating through it. If you are elementary school 
child learning to code on an iPad using Swift Playgrounds the documentation may 
be ideal, but for many developers my guess it is a huge step backwards.

In a recent interview with Apple executives Jon Gruber (Daring Fireball) asked 
the following question: “There's a contingent of the pro market – I have 
friends who are in it, and I hear from people who read the site. Their theory 
is that Apple doesn’t care about Mac Pro users anymore. They certainly care 
very much about iPad Pro users. In broad strokes, their theory is that Apple 
wants everyone to switch to iPads. And that the Mac has some sort of end of 
life on the horizon. Are you aware of this group of users who at least have 
this theory? I know you’re going to say it's not true. At least I think you 
are. But are you aware that reasonable people – not conspiracy theorists — 
because they’re looking at real evidence…"

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/transcript-phil-schiller-craig-federighi-and-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

So apparently some individuals are floating the theory that Apple wants 
everyone to switch to iPads some day. If you are wondering where does a wacky 
rumor like this get started you need look no further than Apple's own developer 
documentation.

I filed bug report 29248282 on this issue. Perhaps more developers should file 
a bug report on this issue to get Apple’s attention if that is possible. But 
then again if we simply wait long enough there will be a new crop of young 
developers with strong minds and fingers weaned on iPads and Swift Playground 
who will never know the difference.

--Richard Charles

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Re: Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-05-11 Thread Nimesh Neema 
I have a few lying around here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0h56lj0dky27m9/AADbwmnbhu8I6DRVldV8Lum0a?dl=0

See if you find anything of use.

Nimesh

On 25 April 2017 at 23:50, David Hoerl  wrote:

> I've googled til my fingers are black and blue, but no luck finding some
> of the older PDF guide documents. I could never express in words how
> disappointed I am that Apple discontinued producing readable documentation
> - I use to crow about it to all my non-Apple dev friends.
>
> Anyway, does anyone know of a place that stashed copies away? I'm fine
> with reading 5 year old documentation to get the big picture, then make
> annotations on paper copies, finally go online to see if anything of
> interest changed.
>
> Thanks for any pointers!
>
> David
>
> PS: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/100458
>
> Note - I have some myself, but didn't keep them up to date so some way old
> (never thought they'd go away). Need one? Email me and I'll send if have it.
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Repository of older (outdated) PDF Guides?

2017-04-25 Thread David Hoerl 
I've googled til my fingers are black and blue, but no luck finding some 
of the older PDF guide documents. I could never express in words how 
disappointed I am that Apple discontinued producing readable 
documentation - I use to crow about it to all my non-Apple dev friends.


Anyway, does anyone know of a place that stashed copies away? I'm fine 
with reading 5 year old documentation to get the big picture, then make 
annotations on paper copies, finally go online to see if anything of 
interest changed.


Thanks for any pointers!

David

PS: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/100458

Note - I have some myself, but didn't keep them up to date so some way 
old (never thought they'd go away). Need one? Email me and I'll send if 
have it.

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