Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-07 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Miles Elam wrote: So let me see if I'm understanding now. You aren't angry because Tomcat has its own HTTP stack. You are angry because they seem to be going out of their way to keep other HTTP stacks from working with it. Close. I'm angry because Tomcat people *fail* to see that no matter

RE: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-05 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
Stefano, absent documentation (the first who says that cocoon docs sucks will have to figure out how to compile tomcat and connectors from source before being allowed to speak again) I want to bet here, i do not say Cocoon docs sucks ;), but building tc 4.1.X and tc 5 is not that hard,

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Miles Elam wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'll never use Tomcat again. Period. The phylosophy behind it (big servlet engine, light http stack on top) is plain wrong. I'm confused... One of the features of the newest iterations of Tomcat is jndi lookups without the whole of EJB behind

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-05 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Niclas Hedhman wrote: snip/ I wrote a simple HTTP server for Java 2 MicroEdition over the last weekend, with rudimentary Servlet-style support, not according to spec at all, just a simple Servlet interface with two methods. And even though I use a multithreaded approach, Threadpooling,

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-05 Thread Miles Elam
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: And handle servlet filters and implement the HTTP 1.1 spec in totality, right? As far as HTTPd is concerned, it's a web server...er...proxy...er...connection hub...er... no, it's a rock-solid HTTP stack with modular capabilities. It's up to you on what modules you

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-05 Thread J.Pietschmann
Ignacio J. Ortega wrote: * tc4.1.x b) cvs co jakarta-tomcat-connectors c) cvs co jakarta-tomcat-jasper d) cvs co jakarta-tomcat-4 e) cd jakarta-tomcat-4 f) copy build.properties.sample to build.properties tweak to your need, probably you only need to point base.path to a newly created

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-05 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wednesday, Feb 5, 2003, at 21:45 Europe/London, Miles Elam wrote: Pier answered my question with a lot of great information such as multi-process robustness, fall-back error pages when/if a JVM goes down, etc. However, I noticed one hole in the setup he proposed: URI permanence. You'll

AW: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-04 Thread Marco Rolappe
sorry to disturb, just have a tiny question: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Dirk-Willem van Gulik Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Februar 2003 12:26 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-04 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 4/2/03 23:06, Miles Elam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, if Cocoon is already demonstrating that PHP and Perl (directly generating HTML) are suboptimal methods for creating sites on a large scale, why use HTTPd at all? mod_gzip? Is it really so much more efficient than a compression

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 03 February 2003 23:57, Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'll never use Tomcat again. Period. The phylosophy behind it (big servlet engine, light http stack on top) is plain wrong. This made me remember those golden days when I was sticking to JServ and.refusing

[OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
...there's too much confusion here, I can't get no relief. Besides quoting Bob Dylan, I'm *PISSED OFF* since I've spent the entire day trying to get Apache 2.0.x + Tomcat *.* working on Solaris and I decided to throw everything down the drain. I'll never use Tomcat again. Period. The

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...there's too much confusion here, I can't get no relief. Besides quoting Bob Dylan, I'm *PISSED OFF* since I've spent the entire day trying to get Apache 2.0.x + Tomcat *.* working on Solaris and I decided to throw everything down the drain.

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'll never use Tomcat again. Period. The phylosophy behind it (big servlet engine, light http stack on top) is plain wrong. mod_jserv is not supported anymore. :( mod_jk is piece of [insert your favorite nasty word here] (who is the genious that invented the concept

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Well, you know where my native code for the connector is :-) Right now, my suggestion is: use Jetty and proxy-pass HTTP requests through Apache :-) In the long-ish term, we'll see! :-) :-) This is where I'm heading now, and this is where I want to work in the future. I

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: Well, you know where my native code for the connector is :-) Right now, my suggestion is: use Jetty and proxy-pass HTTP requests through Apache :-) In the long-ish term, we'll see! :-) :-) This is where I'm heading now, and

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Well, remember that now in Apache 2.0 mod_proxy and mod_cache are separated, so, if you achieve proxy full support using HTTP, you'll be able to simply replace the HTTP proxying module with something (Better? Faster? Is it really needed?), and keep all that caching magic

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: Well, remember that now in Apache 2.0 mod_proxy and mod_cache are separated, so, if you achieve proxy full support using HTTP, you'll be able to simply replace the HTTP proxying module with something (Better? Faster? Is it

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Hm... I don't like squid that much... It doesn't allow you to do a bunch of nifty stuff that Apache lets you do... It is a little bit faster, but speed comes at a great price: For example, you can't direct people to a holding page when the servlet container is down, and

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Pier Fumagalli
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: Hm... I don't like squid that much... It doesn't allow you to do a bunch of nifty stuff that Apache lets you do... It is a little bit faster, but speed comes at a great price: For example, you can't direct people to a

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ...there's too much confusion here, I can't get no relief. Besides quoting Bob Dylan, I'm *PISSED OFF* since I've spent the entire day trying to get Apache 2.0.x + Tomcat *.* working on Solaris and I decided to throw everything down the drain. I feel your pain.

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: Well, remember that now in Apache 2.0 mod_proxy and mod_cache are separated, so, if you achieve proxy full support using HTTP, you'll be able to simply replace the HTTP proxying module with something (Better? Faster? Is it really needed?), and

Re: [OT rant] there must be some way out of here...

2003-02-03 Thread Jeremy Quinn
On Monday, Feb 3, 2003, at 15:57 Europe/London, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'm sick of this. And I'm not alone. Enough talking, expect action. Hear Hear!!! You may remember me moaning about this the other day my heartfelt commiserations! Keep up the good work Pier! Stroll on Jetty!