Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > WORA works because the only decent JVM is Sun's (and Sun's clones, like > > IBM's or Apple's) and Sun has an viral agreement that says that every > > modification you do, you have to give the code (and the right to use! > > patent included

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sunday 17 February 2002 23:25, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >. . . > Or worse: what if Sun, close to bankrupcy, sells out its java > division to some company which is much more solid on software > marketing (somewhere around redmond, anyone?) > > Sure, you can count on me writing my own JVM before

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-17 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > WORA works because the only decent JVM is Sun's (and Sun's clones, like > IBM's or Apple's) and Sun has an viral agreement that says that every > modification you do, you have to give the code (and the right to use! > patent included!) back to Sun. > > But what if Sun c

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stuart Roebuck wrote: > > Well, I have to say that I went for Cocoon primarily because it ran > everywhere and because Java is (in my opinion) much easier to maintain - I > used to code primarily in C and C++. I realised there would be a trade-off > in speed to some extent, but to me the trade of

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-16 Thread Stuart Roebuck
Well, I have to say that I went for Cocoon primarily because it ran everywhere and because Java is (in my opinion) much easier to maintain - I used to code primarily in C and C++. I realised there would be a trade-off in speed to some extent, but to me the trade off is well worth it. We are de

RE: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-16 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
Stefano, I had the same idea a week ago. Damn I should be louder ;) >I've (finally, some would say) come to the conclusion that WORA (write >once run everywhere) has to do with Java more or less like it has to do >with any other programming language in the world. > >Despite Sun's marketing. > >T

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Michael Hartle
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >This said, I want to throw a stone in the lake and see where the waves >go: > >if Cocoon performance bottleneck is XSLT processing, what about using >Xalan C as the XSLT processor instead of Xalan J? > As long as it is an option, why not ? Personally, I am not yet convin

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Ovidiu Predescu
On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:19:42 -0500, Berin Loritsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lewis, Andrew J wrote: > > A a user of Cocoon, I think that (provided of course Xalan-J is still > > supported) this would be fantastic! > > > > The ability to include native code in the pipeline as option, at any s

RE: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Ivanov, Ivelin
Do you have benchmarks for XSLTC generated bytecode vs Xalan C ? -= Ivelin =- -Original Message- From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:01 PM To: Apache Cocoon Subject: [provocative] resurrecting native code I've (finally,

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Berin Loritsch
Lewis, Andrew J wrote: > A a user of Cocoon, I think that (provided of course Xalan-J is still > supported) this would be fantastic! > > The ability to include native code in the pipeline as option, at any step, > makes perfect sense. To not support it makes no sense, and XSLT is the ideal > can

Re: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Berin Loritsch
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > I've (finally, some would say) come to the conclusion that WORA (write > once run everywhere) has to do with Java more or less like it has to do > with any other programming language in the world. > > Despite Sun's marketing. > > Thus, we (Pier and I) have decided bre

RE: [provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Lewis, Andrew J
; From: Stefano Mazzocchi[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:01 PM > To: Apache Cocoon > Subject: [provocative] resurrecting native code > > I've (finally, some would say) come to the conclusio

[provocative] resurrecting native code

2002-02-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I've (finally, some would say) come to the conclusion that WORA (write once run everywhere) has to do with Java more or less like it has to do with any other programming language in the world. Despite Sun's marketing. Thus, we (Pier and I) have decided break the unwritten rule "don't mix java b