Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-03-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Late but: +1 -Bertrand I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. ... Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-26 Thread Christian Haul
On 25.Feb.2003 -- 12:01 AM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. +1 Chris. -- C h r i s t i a n H a u l [EMAIL PROTECTED] fingerprint: 99B0 1D9D 7919

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Torsten Curdt
The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon? -- Torsten

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Morrison, John
I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this vote. When finished,

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
Torsten Curdt wrote: The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon? A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or something similar. We are a proper toplevel project right now, so the cocoon-apps

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Morrison, John
From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Torsten Curdt wrote: The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon? A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or something similar. We

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Morrison, John wrote: From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Torsten Curdt wrote: The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon? A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or something

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Torsten Curdt
The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon? A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or something similar. We are a proper toplevel project right now, so the cocoon-apps thing might get replaced

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
+1 Carsten -Original Message- From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject Torsten Curdt wrote: The vote is about wanting the project to become

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.19: Torsten Curdt wrote: The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. Where do you want to see it living? In cocoon apps or cocoon? A Cocoon sub-project, having its own CVS module cocoon-lenya or something similar. We are a proper

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
The vote is about wanting the project to become part of Cocoon. +1 Vadim

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Jeremy Quinn
I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this vote. When finished, I'll

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1. OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC? /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Michael Melhem
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:01:01AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1. OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC? Incubation PMC. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1. OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC? Incubation

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 14.08: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1. OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to proper subproject?

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Giacomo Pati
just to notify that we're starting this vote. When finished, I'll post there the results. Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes. Here's mine: +1 Original Message Subject: Proposal for Lenya Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:01:16 +0100 From: Michael Wechner [EMAIL

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Giacomo Pati wrote: +1 Giacomo Giacomo, thanks for taking the time to edit your email to avoid wasting bandwidth. I'm a pain, I know. Imagine how I much more I would be if I were the one paying for the bandwidth :) -- Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Bernhard Huber
I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. +1 from me

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-24 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Anybody else with comments, either positive or negative? Just a few thoughts: I spent this morning browsing the Lenya code from CVS and so far I have mixed feelings about the project. Basically I'm unable to see an architecture in the whole codebase, it seems to me

RE: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-24 Thread Robert Koberg
Message- From: Gianugo Rabellino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proposal for Lenya Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Anybody else with comments, either positive or negative? Just a few thoughts: I spent this morning

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Diana Shannon
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 06:01 PM, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Jeff Turner
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:01:01AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the

[VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
post there the results. Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes. Here's mine: +1 Original Message Subject: Proposal for Lenya Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:01:16 +0100 From: Michael Wechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Incubator List

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Pier Fumagalli
On 24/2/03 23:01, Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18: On 24/2/03 23:01, Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-24 Thread Matthew Langham
I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives. I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this vote. When finished,

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: [extensive snipage] Steven Noels wrote: You know how I run communities and what are the things I value. Michael, who is the technical leader, resonates with my vision a lot and has been playing very nicely with Cocoon. Please, I don't see why you need to defend

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: Well, I can't be sure either. This is why we are going thru incubation: it should be a period to estimate *IF* this codebase with these people is the right seed for a potential healthy community. If now, well, at least we tried. Yeah. Since Incubation in itself is pretty

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Michael Wechner
Steven Noels wrote: Andreas Kuckartz wrote: You seem to be concerned that the software is *used* in productive environments. Do software developers who want to change the code have to take that into account? Yes, certainly they should do that. Is that an argument against the adoption of the

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Michael Wechner
Andreas Kuckartz wrote: snip / Sure thing. Since Lenya does publishing too, what is the future of Forrest in your scenario? To be honest, I am not very familiar with Forrest yet. But from out of the belly I would characterize Forrest as a specific publication type, with an information

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Steven Noels
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote: i think forrest may turn out to be a wonderful immediate value publication for lenya. we have been looking at ways to lower the entry barriers into lenya, and having a well-supported publication that works out of the box would be very sweet. Hm. This is the kind of

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 21 February 2003 09:40, Jeff Turner wrote: I see what Steven means with: My main concern is the fact that Lenya does not come only with a community, but also with a code base. That code base is in use already at a selected number of commercial installations

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: My main concern is the fact that Lenya does not come only with a community, but also with a code base. That code base is in use already at a selected number of commercial installations (which is good, of course). I hope to be proven wrong, yet I fear the existing codebase

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-21 Thread Steven Noels
Andreas Kuckartz wrote: You seem to be concerned that the software is *used* in productive environments. Do software developers who want to change the code have to take that into account? Yes, certainly they should do that. Is that an argument against the adoption of the software? No, quite the

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 21 February 2003 09:40, Jeff Turner wrote: I see what Steven means with: My main concern is the fact that Lenya does not come only with a community, but also with a code base. That code base is in use already at a selected number of commercial installations (which is good, of

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I agree with your general assumption that a content management system is pure marketing bullshit since there is no one size that fits all. That's more or less what I'm saying, yes. In fact, in my personal view, Lenya is an effort to build a community

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Steven Noels wrote: * A sh*tload of (even Cocoon-based) (half-baked) CMS solutions exist already, which might or might not be willing to join ASF in the future. What will happen if Lenya (nice name BTW) comes and claims that area? Will it be the reference ASF CMS tool?

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Michael Wechner
Steven Noels wrote: Michael Wechner wrote: Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at: [cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly decide whether Lenya

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-20 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:01:16PM +0100, Michael Wechner wrote: Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. FWIW, here's my +1 for Incubatorship. I see Lenya as tackling all the problems that Forrest would eventually