Jenn C. kindly helped me address some less-than-artful language in
https://github.com/bobbi-SMR/code-of-conduct/blob/listserv_edits/norms.md
Thanks,
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So this thread started with exactly that - the CSV team posting a change
and now the community discussing it. The PR is an initial draft. It's all
in one thread labeled administrivia.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:17 AM Andrew L Hickner
wrote:
> I would like to humbly suggest that the sub-group of
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To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
I think it'd be a good idea to work out an explicit process f
t; > >> would only be undertaken after a period of broad discussion
> > >> followed by
> > a
> > >> (very) formal vote. This list is common property and is still a
> > >> primary communication channel for this community. Decisions
> > >> r
LIS
> >> AU/UGA Medical Partnership
> >> Office of Graduate Medical Education Clinical Information Librarian
> >>
> >> St. Mary’s Hospital
> >> 1230 Baxter Street
> >> Athens, GA 30606
> >>
> >> p: 706-389-3864
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function (or the rules that govern its participants) should be made
> >> democratically.
> >>
> >>
> >> Edwin V. Sperr, MLIS
> >> AU/UGA Medical Partnership
> >> Office of Graduate Medical Education
> >> Clinical Information Librarian
> >&g
On 7/16/19 8:09 AM, EDWIN VINCENT SPERR wrote:
> Git flow does not by itself equal a democratic process.
>
> I imagine that the organizing committee for the last Code4Lib conference had
> some sort of formal step to *ratify* the code of conduct that bound its
> participants. That is what is
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
This PR to the CoC was merged more than a week ago:
https://github.com/code4lib/code-of-conduct/commit/b6cc99c7b7e16cdf278b5c4565d661ba53c011ea
I think (? see G
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>> From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Natasha
>> Allen
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 4:29 PM
>> To: CO
> From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Natasha
> Allen
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> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
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> [admiistratativia]"
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From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Natasha Allen
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
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Hi Tom,
Thank you for responding with your clarifications. Much appreciated.
Natasha
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2019
, NY 13244
Syracuse University
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Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 4:05 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
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> As both a woman and libra
On Jul 15, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Tom Johnson
wrote:
> as professionals who work regularly with authorship, surely we can
> understand that people use and attach their ideas to many names in both
> private and public life for a wide range of reasons. the argument that
> restricting naming here would
> As both a woman and librarian, i think i'm qualified to point out that if
someone is asking for me to give them private, potentially damaging
information, I have a right to know who they are and their motivations for
asking, because lord knows there are plenty of bad actors who would use
t; kndei...@syr.edu
> 222 Waverly Ave., Syracuse, NY 13244
> Syracuse University
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Josh
> Welker
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 12:26 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community
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From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Josh Welker
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 12:26 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
I agree with Kate here. This seems too much like those cases
Other notes:
-With any person I interviewed, I communicated every step of the way and gave
each person multiple times to opt out. I told them who I was and listed my
credentials.
-I understand that getting on a Listserv and asking for stories, if there are
any, is out of the norm but if
I agree with Kate here. This seems too much like those cases where one
patron leaves an empty bag of chips on a table, so the whole library
plasters obnoxious "NO FOOD ON THE TABLES" signs all over and creates a
12-person ad hoc committee to discuss food policies. I don't think we need
to create a
In at least one initial post early on, I did identify myself. I think this is
a considerate group of professionals and I would like for you to consider some
things:
-The survey was anonymous. Anyone could have emailed me at any time with
questions on more specifics about the survey and some
I am also strongly against restricting anonymous or pseudonymous users. It
is true that sometimes anonymity brings trolls, but it is also true that
anonymity allows for people to bring issues to the table without worrying
about who is lurking and who in their organization might retaliate.
>finally, i think it's regrettable that demands for discussants to identify
themselves came up in the prior thread. even in this case (with legitimate
concerns at hand about methodolgy and the nature of the information being
solicited) it seemed to me that these demands did more to intimidate than
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From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 11:22 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
i'll put in another word strongly against a name/signature policy.
as professi
i'll put in another word strongly against a name/signature policy.
as professionals who work regularly with authorship, surely we can
understand that people use and attach their ideas to many names in both
private and public life for a wide range of reasons. the argument that
restricting naming
I read the LSOFT page describing the DMARC aliases, and it seems like there is
a good technical reason for doing so. To disallow the LISTSERV-supplied DMARC
aliases would prevent some participant's mail from being delivered (or would
have it downgraded to "junk" status by the receiving mail
Dear All,
I have winced quite a bit reading this thread. I'm certain I am not alone
in this sludgy feeling. I trust in Ye Olde Internet Meme that you all possess
delete keys and know how to use them. For use example [1].
I can no longer remain politely silent on this issue. Doing
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 7:26 PM Stuart A. Yeates wrote:
> I was personally ambivalent about anonymity on the mailing list.
>
> However, the fact that it appears to be predominantly men arguing for
> banning anonymity and women arguing for allowing it is a tell that us
> men folk might have our
I was personally ambivalent about anonymity on the mailing list.
However, the fact that it appears to be predominantly men arguing for
banning anonymity and women arguing for allowing it is a tell that us
men folk might have our lower appendages in our orifices.
cheers
stuart
--
...let us be
On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:36pm, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> IMHO, the Code4Lib mailing list should not be akin to an anonymous chat room
> where anyone can come in and say whatever they desire under the cloak of
> anonymity.
> One must be accountable for what they say, and accountability is
On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Fitchett, Deborah
wrote:
> Less metaphorically: if someone has in the past faced harassment because of
> who they are, or job repercussions because their manager didn't like
> something they said, and wants to avoid that in future by using a pseudonym
> for
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:21 PM Fitchett, Deborah <
deborah.fitch...@lincoln.ac.nz> wrote:
> ...If a dog has something useful to post to Code4Lib, why shouldn't they
> be judged on the merits of their email?
>
Anonymity doesn't work in all environments, but it tends to work in small
relatively
Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Eric Lease
Morgan
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
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On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Kate Deibel
<001fd0f2bb98-dmarc-requ...@lists.
Please keep in mind that not everyone has an institutional affiliation, and
even people who do might prefer to use a non-institutional address so that
the address they use to interface with code4lib remains stable even as
their institutional affiliation changes, especially if they're in a term
I know this doesn't fix the underlying problem, but in the interim as
someone who does git/markdown regularly and is very comfortable with it, if
you have a proposed correction/suggestion for the code of conduct and don't
feel comfortable submitting a PR, I will volunteer to format and submit on
On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Kate Deibel
<001fd0f2bb98-dmarc-requ...@lists.clir.org> wrote:
> For people who lack either github or git knowledge and don't want to just try
> to read the diff outputs, here are the links you need...
>
> --
> Katherine Deibel | PhD
> Inclusion & Accessibility
Just another observation on github:
- I think the balance of labor in the "bekind2" statement is off. this is
my opinion and others may disagree. either way, the idea of engaging in
discussion about emotional labor and microaggressions on public github PRs
is not appealing to me (yes I know this
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 1:55 PM Anne Slaughter <
anne.slaugh...@railslibraries.info> wrote:
> I hear you. Personally my web dev past is so ancient I'm officially not a
> coder and have to work to get my head around GitHub every time I touch it.
>
A number of people have shared similar
for Libraries On Behalf Of Natasha Allen
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To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
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Hi all,
If we are wanting to get community feedback on something like a code of conduct
p
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> From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Bobbi Fox
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 2:42 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
> [admiistratativia]"
>
> I have submitted a P
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 2:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
I have submitted a Pull Request [PR -- a suggestion to change code/text] to the
Code of Code4Lib Conduct GitHub repository:
http
I have submitted a Pull Request [PR -- a suggestion to change code/text]
to the Code of Code4Lib Conduct GitHub repository:
https://github.com/code4lib/code-of-conduct/pull/80
Suggestions welcome.
Cheers,
Bobbi
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Anne
> Slaughter
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:36 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
> [admiistratativia]"
>
> Sec
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To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
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I am initially repelled by the idea of formalizing an organization and the
bureau
> w: medicalpartnership.usg.edu<http://www.medicalpartnership.usg.edu/>
>
>
>
> From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Kate
> Deibel <001fd0f2bb98-dmarc-requ...@lists.clir.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:02 PM
> To: CODE4LI
gt; -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Anne Slaughter
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:36 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
> [admiistratativia]"
>
> Seconding Francis' p
l Message-
From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Anne Slaughter
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:36 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
Seconding Francis' points, and adding that this "failure" d
Fellow code4libbers,
I have two thoughts to share:
1. Thanks to Bobbi, Mark, Francis, and Anne for stepping up as CSV/CSS!
Happy to see this group going forward. And also:
2. I want to echo Kate's well-articulated sentiments. While I'm glad we have
a semi-active CSV/CSS group, I was
f Of Anne Slaughter
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:36 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
Seconding Francis' points, and adding that this "failure" does not rest on his
shoulders. Mark, F
As Anne notes in her message, she, Francis and I committed to this publicly
at Code4lib 2019; for reference, here's the lightning talk I gave:
Slides: http://bit.ly/c4l19-csv
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXYIjJrfqnI#t=49m43s
thanks,
Mark
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 10:35 AM Anne Slaughter
Seconding Francis' points, and adding that this "failure" does not rest on his
shoulders. Mark, Francis, and I publicly committed in San Jose to working to
expand the role of the CSS/CSVs to better support the community in situations
like this. This work unfortunately hasn't been on any of our
I think updating the Code of Conduct is a great idea but shutting down the
thread for an unspecified period of time is a not-so-great idea.
Joshua Welker
Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator
James C. Kirkpatrick Library
University of Central Missouri
Warrensburg, MO 64093
JCKL 2260
Heya Kate my responses interleaved. For starters if there's any opacity
I will take this as my fault/oversight. You, Anne, Mark and I spoke in
San Jose about the transition to the CSSCSV group after the conference
and promised to work on this once we were done. Unfortunately I've been
dealing with
CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG
Subject: [CODE4LIB] From the Community Support Squad wrt "Note
[admiistratativia]"
Apologies to the List for this late response from those of us who compose the
Community Support Squad; through an unfortunate coincidence, we each had been
off-line for most of the &
Apologies to the List for this late response from those of us who compose
the Community Support Squad; through an unfortunate coincidence, we each
had been off-line for most of the "[CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia]"
exchanges.
The thread has raised some issues that should be covered in the
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