Salvete!
It sounds like you might want too much out of the box or at least a higher
degree of simplicity or usability than most stuff will provide. Usability is a
holy grail that most folks frankly don't feel like shelling out for so it
remains all shiny and out of reach. Should it? No, of
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No doubt others like Cary Gordon can chime in with some thoughtful advice,
but here are some things I like about Drupal:
Modules that make complicated things fairly trivial like Services and
Feeds.
I like Views, though your complaints are valid. Take the good with the bad
for that.
Between
I am a Django developer, and would certainly prefer working with Django to
working with Drupal ;) It's very straightforward to write CRUD views, and
there are several CMSes already written on top of Django. (Here is 100% of
what I know about them: the lead developer of mezzanine seems nice;
Here is the tiniest bit of mailing list administratativa: the list now contains
close two 2,800 subscribers, and based on my antidotal observations, it
subscription size increase by approximately five new subscriptions per week. I
think we have a strong, vibrant, and growing community. —ELM
Joshua,
From my perspective, the module ecosystem is the greatest strength that
Drupal has. Modularity is one of the central design goals of the system,
so if you if you want to avoid all third-party modules, you aren't going to
get any real advantage over something like wordpress. Having said
I dropped Drupal because of the problems outlined by Joshua and others.
There is no doubt in my mind if you have the time and staff resources to
learn Drupal and your specific instance of Drupal, that it is a very
powerful and useful tool. However, the learning curve is steep and time
consuming.
When I came into this position I inherited some work the former tech
manager had done in installing and experimenting with Drupal as a tool to
replace our current CMS-less ColdFusion environment. I also quickly grew
unhappy with it. I've been experimenting with MODX, which I like so far. If
you're
Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off
as too abrasive.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figuring out what exactly
is the use case for Drupal. Do you want a dead-simple website? Use
Wordpress. Do you want to add some complex custom apps? Use a
Josh,
I'd like to take this opportunity to hock SilverStripe
[http://www.silverstripe.org/], a PHP-based MVC framework and CMS. I'm using
it for my library's website redesign, and it's proving very capable. This
redesign includes not only migrating our pages, but also integrating our
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Hi Joshua,
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 09:47:06AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote:
Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off
as too abrasive.
No worries, I find it a fair depiction, and I share your Drupal pain.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time
Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout, Andromeda!
Josh, I didn't take your OP as abrasive at all. We've ALL been up on that
ledge, man!
If you know me at all, you know I'm pretty pro-Drupal. Pretty sure I still have
KoolAid stains on my face. This is mainly because I'm a
In the case of Django, if buy _Two Scoops of Django_ and slavishly follow
its best practices (plus normal best practices like writing comments), your
code will be pretty maintainable by others. CRUD views are dead simple to
write and the class-based views introduced in 1.5 impose enough uniformity
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM, McHale, Nina mchal...@cde.state.co.us wrote:
Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout, Andromeda!
Josh, I didn't take your OP as abrasive at all. We've ALL been up on that
ledge, man!
What ledge? Oh, THAT ledge!
This seems like a good opportunity to mention the best CMS ever
http://bestcmsever.com/
James
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM, McHale, Nina mchal...@cde.state.co.us
wrote:
Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks
I have been with Drupal for about 10years now, (think Flexinode). I have
also built several applications in PHP, MySQL, etc. and I have to say I
have for sure had times I wanted to tear my hair out with Drupal, but over
the years and I have to say I do like it quite a bit and feel like it is
the
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I've been using Drupal since 2007-8 and it seems like every time I use it, I
learn something new. It is an extremely powerful CMS but its certainly not for
everyone. Sometimes its overkill and other times it can be inflexible.
I think the biggest advantage of it is the level of customization
That sounds like just what I'm looking for! I will check it out. Thanks.
Josh Welker
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Walls
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:09 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very
Hmm using a CMS for the basic site and then a framework for all complex
functions might be a good idea.
Josh Welker
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Wiegand, Laura K.
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:20 AM
To:
Thank you for the detailed response. Feel free to quote me about Drupal :)
It sounds like you have experienced just what I'm afraid of: I will spend
all this time making a Drupal site with the intention that it will be easy
to inherit, and then my theoretical successor scraps it.
Josh Welker
Nina,
Thank you for your insights. I'm glad to get a response from someone with
lots of relatively positive Drupal experience.
As far as functionality problems, I can offer two examples:
1. I have a library hours page that pulls information from Google
Calendars with Feeds and redisplays it
I am debugging my listserv subscription. This is a test message.
Please disregard.
Will Martin
If you were to characterize me in one group of web developers, I'm pretty much
a Drupalist. I committed to it more so than Wordpress back in the WP2.x days
when I found that WP wouldn't easily/natively help me to grab records
dynamically from both a flickr feed and a non-wordpress MYSQL db. At
Josh,
I welcome your initial rant, which was well articulated -- sometimes I
can't find anything beyond 4-letter words to express my frustration.
It surprises me that there has not been much discussion of Drupal on
this list, or even on Drupal4Lib recently -- yet it's so prevalent in
The
Lesbian Herstory Archives http://www.lesbianherstoryarchives.org/ is
looking for librarians and archivists to assist with a number of project in
preparation for the launch of our OPAC in December. We are looking for
folks with at least 1 year of experience and skills in the areas outlined
https://drupal.org/project/bad_judgement
Thanks for the suggestions about videos and the Services module. I will give
it a look. I am still quite torn overall about whether to stick it out with
Drupal or use a framework.
Josh Welker
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That summarizes my feelings quite well.
Josh Welker
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Simon Spero
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:40 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
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This thread has been really interesting to read from my point of view:
I've been seeing soo much about Drupal here there and everywhere that I
truly have been thinking I'm missing out on something and furthermore that in
order to even stand a chance in the current library technology job
On Thu, 15 May 2014, Jodi Schneider wrote:
elm++
people still use elm?
I'm personally using the 'patterns-filters2' rule in alpine for managing
my mailing lists.
I've considered switching to mutt, but I haven't used elm or its
derivatives in over a decade. (elm didn't have good MIME
Couple things.
Drupal documentation has heavily gone the way of the screencast, while I
personally think they move too slowly, but I'm like that. There have
been times where I haven't been able to figure something out and I've
watched a screencast on a module and not only find the solution
elm++
elm didn't have good MIME support
I have to agree. I have scoured YouTube and found no videos of Eric
Lease Morgan silently trapped in a glass box... :-)
This whole thing has given me quite the headache.
At this point, due to time constraints, I am going to tough it out and stick
with Drupal. I discovered the Data module, which looks like it will allow me
to use custom (logical and sane) database tables and integrate them with the
Drupal site.
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