The PyCon announcement reminds me of what may be the biggest difference between
Python and Ruby: if you speak at a Ruby conference, your registration fee (and
often other expenses) is waived in gratitude for your effort. If you speak at
a Python conference, you pay full price in recognition
Python
==
(sung to the tune of My Girl
and with apologies to The Temptations)
It's got syntax that's easy to learn.
For closing a scope it's got whitespace to burn.
I guess you'd say
What can help me code this way?
Python
Talkin' 'bout Python
It's so got duck typing it quacks right at me.
I certainly hope that you will sing this for us in NC.
On Aug 1, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote:
Python
==
(sung to the tune of My Girl
and with apologies to The Temptations)
It's got syntax that's easy to learn.
For closing a scope it's got whitespace to
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:27:01AM -0400, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
i don't know why we're not talking about Haskell
I did to tell there is a lack of libraries and it is not as convenient
as perl when it comes to use
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It's extremely eerie how this thread has played out almost exactly like a
similar one in 2010
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hello,
Sorry comming late with it but:
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:43:33AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote:
Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the
library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over
Python or vice-versa?
Is it the only choices
Whoohoo, late to the party!
I like Python because I learned it first, and I haven't had a need to
explore Ruby yet.
I did briefly foray into learning Ruby in order to try to learn Rails, and
I actually found that my background in Python sort of gave me brain-jam for
learning Ruby, because the
No mention of PHP?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Kurt Nordstrom doseofvitam...@gmail.com wrote:
Whoohoo, late to the party!
I like Python because I learned it first, and I haven't had a need to
explore Ruby yet.
I did briefly foray into learning Ruby in order to try
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No mention of PHP?
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: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Joshua
Welker
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I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a fantastic
scripting language in my
i don't know why we're not talking about Haskell
Functional programming FTW!
On 7/30/13 10:27 AM, Mark A. Matienzo mark.matie...@gmail.com wrote:
i don't know why we're not talking about Haskell
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I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a
fantastic scripting language in my experience.
Josh Welker
Information
-:) -Rich
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and so the PointBash language was created. Thanks, you've
+1
Jeremy Nelson
Metadata and Systems Librarian
Colorado College
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Matienzo
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i don't
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:27:01AM -0400, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
i don't know why we're not talking about Haskell
I did to tell there is a lack of libraries and it is not as convenient
as perl when it comes to use regexps.
I wrote a MARC::MIR reader for ISO2709 but have some issues (it seems
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 02:21:55PM +, Rich Wenger wrote:
The proliferation of boutique languages is a cancer on our community.
sure ... but i don't want to be stuck on PHP or python when i have the
power of perl inside my hands, other would argue perl is too hard for
librarians and go
: Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a
fantastic scripting language in my experience.
Josh Welker
Information Technology Librarian
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I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does
[mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf
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I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a
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I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:21:24AM -0400, Andreas Orphanides wrote:
Whatever; if you're not programming Turing machines made from two rocks and
a roll of toilet paper, then you're not a REAL coder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8DiOthAKek
./fxk
--
H. L. Mencken suffers from the
Real coders roll their own programming languages.
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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:21:24AM -0400, Andreas Orphanides wrote:
Whatever
, 2013 9:22 AM
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The proliferation of boutique languages is a cancer on our community.
Each one is a YAP (Yet Another Priesthood), and little else. The world does
not need five slightly varying syntaxes for a substring function
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Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive
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The proliferation of boutique languages is a cancer
:)
Jason
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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 02:21:55PM +, Rich Wenger wrote
Didn't Dr. Frankenstein say that about the monster?
On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
I think I have the information I need at this point, so this would be a good
time to let this thread die before it turns into what I tried to avoid in
the first place.
Josh
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I am already a big user of PHP for web apps, but PHP does not make a
fantastic
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:25:14AM -0500, Matthew Sherman wrote:
Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive territory. How about we
come back to the original question and help this person figure out
what they need to about Ruby and Python so they can do well with what
they want to work on.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matthew Sherman
matt.r.sher...@gmail.comwrote:
Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive territory. How about we
come back to the original question and help this person figure out
what they need to about Ruby and Python so they can do well with what
they
Well, this is probably some obvious bait, but I will take it. :)
*writing python code is very boring when you come from featured. langages
like ruby or perl. nothing can be expressed a simple way*
I'd call this an intentional feature, as opposed to a detriment. The idea
behind Python is you
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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 02:21:55PM +, Rich Wenger wrote:
The proliferation of boutique languages is a cancer on our community.
sure ... but i don't want to be stuck on PHP or python when i have the power
of perl inside my
-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net,
Peter Schlumpf pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Real coders roll their own programming languages.
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On Tue, Jul 30
s/objective/subjective/
FTFY
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Marc Chantreux m...@unistra.fr wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:25:14AM -0500, Matthew Sherman wrote:
Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive territory. How about we
come back to the original question and help this
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On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:25:14AM -0500, Matthew Sherman wrote:
Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive territory. How about we
come back
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Ok folks, we have veered into nonconstructive territory. How about we come
back
Has anyone tried coding using one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY
It's extremely eerie how this thread has played out almost exactly like a
similar one in 2010: http://bit.ly/4kb77v
Creatures of habit, we are.
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Levy, Michael ml...@ushmm.org wrote:
Has anyone tried coding using one of these?
Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the
library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over
Python or vice-versa? I am personally comfortable with Python, but I have
noticed that there is a big Ruby following in Code4Lib and similar
communities. Am
Salvete!
More importantly, am I the only one that sees a classic Highlander inspired
Code4Lib T Shirt in this? From the makers of the beating a dead horse graphic
and the OCLC seal of approval... Make it so!
Cheers,
Brooke
IMO, you will be equally productive and connected to the community whether
you use Ruby or Python. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and all that rot.
-Mike
P.S. WHTESPCE
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
Not intending to start a language
Josh,
I think it depends on the project you're looking to get involved with.
Speaking as a rubyist, I'm using it because I'm active in the Hydra community
which uses Ruby on Rails. However, I see a lot of great stuff across the
Python fence and think, hey it'd be cool to learn enough about
Yes, we wouldn't want a flame war, besides, everyone knows that real
programmers use APL.
X ← 3 3⍴÷⍳9 ⋄ Y ← DATA[⍋DATA] ⍝ If you can read this, nice font choices
Really, your message is a grenade. If you want to build a Python community in
the library world, create a compelling project. I
Also, Ruby is just Python with end statements. So if you learn one, you're
mostly learning the other. ;)
-Mike
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:
Yes, we wouldn't want a flame war, besides, everyone knows that real
programmers use APL.
X ← 3 3⍴÷⍳9
one that is domain relevant. What would it look like?
Peter Schlumpf
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Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Peter Schlumpf pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Imagine if the library community had its own programming/scripting language,
at least one that is domain relevant.
What would it look like?
Whatever else it had, it would have to have a sophisticated way to
inspect
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Peter Schlumpf
pschlu...@earthlink.net wrote:
Imagine if the library community had its own programming/scripting language,
at least one that is domain relevant. What would it look like?
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that.
//Ed
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Sent: Jul 29, 2013 10:43 AM
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Subject: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the
library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over
Python
Ed Summers writes
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that.
It will have to support tippex on screens.
Cheers,
Thomas Krichelhttp://openlib.org/home/krichel
skype:thomaskrichel
On 7/29/2013 1:04 PM, Ed Summers wrote:
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that. //Ed
Over the code or the manual?
--jimm
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, jimm wetherbee j...@wingate.edu wrote:
On 7/29/2013 1:04 PM, Ed Summers wrote:
Ok, I think I'm going to have nightmares about that. //Ed
Over the code or the manual?
Over the NISO standardization process required to form the exploratory
committee.
-Ross.
I think it mostly comes down to what you're looking for out of the language
choice. Both are great language. I love the explicitness and community
around Python, the meta-programming features of Ruby are a lot of fun as
well.
Both have great communities that support a lot of diversity. I feel
Did someone ask for a Hydra-like thing using Python?
https://github.com/emory-libraries/eulfedora
It's really a pretty cool piece of work, and worth a look, even if you're
absolutely sure RoR (or PHP and Drupal, or Java) is your thing.
--
HARDY POTTINGER pottinge...@umsystem.edu
University of
Josh,
I work exclusively with XSLT but specialize in metadata only no need for
content display choices
maybe a candidate for library programming language...XSLT 2.0 has useful
analyze-string element to cover Roy's point
by the way, Josh, live just down the road in Leeton
regards,
dana
On
One thing to factor in is that if you learn ruby you run the risk of
becoming one of those people who constantly talks,tweets,blogs, posts to
this mailing list about how great ruby is. This can have a very negative
impact on your work productivity.
On Monday, July 29, 2013, Dana Pearson wrote:
Of
Scott Turnbull
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:17 PM
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I think it mostly comes down to what you're looking for out of the
language choice. Both are great language. I love the explicitness and
community around Python, the meta
: Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu
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Subject: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the
library coding community, is there a particular reason to use Ruby over
Python or vice-versa? I am
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Scott Turnbull
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I think it mostly comes down to what you're looking for out of the
language choice. Both are great language. I love
: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
One thing to factor in is that if you learn ruby you run the risk of
becoming one of those people who constantly talks,tweets,blogs, posts to
this mailing list about how great ruby is. This can have a very negative
impact on your work productivity.
On Monday, July 29
: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Ross Singer
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:55 PM
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I can only answer for the Ruby support, I can't compare Ruby libs to
Python libs on these, but:
MARC: there's Ruby
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Not intending to start a language flame war/holy war here, but in the
library coding community
. Stroop
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:04 PM
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s/ruby/any_language/
Why not learn both? As with spoken languages, knowing more than one makes
it easier for you to think at a higher level of abstraction and therefore
a better developer
not really that different.
From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Chris
Fitzpatrick [chrisfitz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:39 PM
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One thing
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Jon P. Stroop
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s/ruby/any_language/
Why not learn both? As with spoken languages, knowing more than one makes
it easier for you to think
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Hi
: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby
Personally, I prefer Python. If you are wanting to do more information
science-y things, Ruby doesn't have equivalent libraries for things like
the Natural Language Toolkithttp://nltk.org/ or
SciPyhttp://www.scipy.org/.
In Ruby's defense, Python doesn't have
Blacklighthttp
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Over the NISO standardization process required to form the exploratory
committee.
Thanks for answering the question better than I could have ever
dreamed of answering it.
//Ed
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
And I hate Python whitespace.
Ah-ha!
A more paranoid pythonista than I might suspect this whole thread was
simply an exercise in Ruby shilling.
--jay
Somebody needs to invent one, throw it out there and see what happens.
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edu wrote:
And I
Muahahahahahahaha!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And you walked right into it! You fools!
-Ross.
On Monday, July 29, 2013, Jay Luker wrote:
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Joshua Welker wel...@ucmo.edujavascript:;
wrote:
And I hate Python whitespace.
Ah-ha!
A more paranoid pythonista than I
Both Ruby and Python, have their strengths and weaknesses, and as others
have mentioned, it will come down to need and existing projects you want to
leverage.
We use both Python and Ruby internally.
Know your tools and their strengths and weaknesses.
My personal interested is more and more
And you would think Python developers would know how to...
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read between the (whitespace) lines?
YEAH
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote:
Muahahahahahahaha!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And
White space is potentially an illusion it isn't necessarilly there,
esp when the whitespace is not a character ...
;)
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